Carlisle HD owners feedback please!

[DinTulsa]

I've decided to upgrade my Westlake tires after another examination. I'm considering Maxxis and Goodyear, but the Carlisle Hd's have a great price point. I'm looking for feedback from owners that have a number of miles on them.

Thanks.

[azrving]

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[azrving]

Huntindog wrote:

rjxj wrote:
"Try to sell used STs.... LOL."

Ya know what's scary.....I haven't had any trouble selling st tires!!!!!
I took the first set of 14 yr old Marathons off my FW when I bought it and a guy on CL bought them for a trailer to carry a Bobcat for his farm. The second set 3 Carlisle hr were 4 yr old decent and a 10 yr old HR and some other brand that was the spare which was 14 yr old $200. He was putting them on a hod rod or classic car trailer.

I told the woman I bought the FW from that it needed new tires and she was surprised and said there is nothing wrong with those tires we never had any trouble with them. They pulled it twice a summer to camp with local family. I pulled it 40 miles home with my fingers crossed.

So you are getting approx. 50% of new for old ST tires? It is unbelievable what some will pay for junk. I guess PT Barnum was right.

Great news people! Now you can run ST tires really cheap. Don't let the tire shop keep your old ones. Keep them and sell them to defray the cost of your new ST tires.

I messed up. Sorry. I should have also said that these are all on wheels. Maybe not the prettiest wheels and rusted but yes, that's what I sold them for. In both cases we went with 16 inch wheels. I'll fix my other post.

When people are faced with having to do an axle flip I usually suggest that it's a good time to consider going to 16's as an upgrade and providing a little lift. If you have decent looking used tires with no cracks I would never leave them at the dealer and would also ask if they would knock the tire disposal fee off and then sell them on CL.

I have also seen new utility trailers with used tires on them so they must be buying them from the tire dealers. They cant just scrounge up that many used tires. I think it's very common for people to put used tires on a utility type trailer. Unlike us who punish our tires on long distance rv travel most people dont even know what a date code is or that there are trailer tires vs passenger tires.

These may look new and that's good enough for some. $45 each

The five 14 yr old Marathons that I sold looked good with no cracks or defects showing. Scrub em up and throw em on CL, they are probably worth tank of fuel at minimum. 5 Carlisle HD o new 16" wagon wheels $844- $200 for old stuff $644 Not bad.

[DesertTracker]

On my previous TT (Pioneer 18T6) I had Carlisle RH for 4 years and about 14k miles with no issues. The RHs replaced 4 year old Maxxis when I had one of them separate. I found the RH's to be smooth and stable. When I bought my current trailer, I put ST205/75-14 load range D HDs on and only have about 2700 miles on them but am happy. When I bought the HDs, I put them on new Hi-Spec aluminum trailer rims with metal valve stems and I am running regular air NOT nitrogen @ 65 psi. The HDs never need air or only a couple of PSI since I put them on. I got sloppy this past winter and didn't check the inflation for almost 2.5 months since I wasn't using the trailer and still only needed 4psi in one and 3psi in the other three. The HDs are smooth and stable also, but again 2700 miles is a small sample size.

[Huntindog]

rjxj wrote:
"Try to sell used STs.... LOL."

Ya know what's scary.....I haven't had any trouble selling st tires!!!!!
I took the first set of 14 yr old Marathons off my FW when I bought it and a guy on CL bought them for a trailer to carry a Bobcat for his farm. The second set 3 Carlisle hr were 4 yr old decent and a 10 yr old HR and some other brand that was the spare which was 14 yr old $200. He was putting them on a hod rod or classic car trailer.

I told the woman I bought the FW from that it needed new tires and she was surprised and said there is nothing wrong with those tires we never had any trouble with them. They pulled it twice a summer to camp with local family. I pulled it 40 miles home with my fingers crossed.

So you are getting approx. 50% of new for old ST tires? It is unbelievable what some will pay for junk. I guess PT Barnum was right.

Great news people! Now you can run ST tires really cheap. Don't let the tire shop keep your old ones. Keep them and sell them to defray the cost of your new ST tires.

[OldSmokey]

prichardson wrote:
Unfortunately not all can do that. Many TT owners are saddled 14" tires with no ability to go larger so they are stuck with the ST situation.

I would agree, 14's are a bit limited, but there are solutions. I used the Maxxis UE168n tire on my previous TH.. these had a load rating higher than equivalent sized ST's. !!

[azrving]

"Try to sell used STs.... LOL."

Ya know what's scary.....I haven't had any trouble selling st tires!!!!!
I took the first set of 14 yr old Marathons off my FW when I bought it and a guy on CL bought them for a trailer to carry a Bobcat for his farm. The second set 3 Carlisle hr were 4 yr old decent and a 10 yr old HR and some other brand that was the spare which was 14 yr old $200. He was putting them on a hod rod or classic car trailer.

I told the woman I bought the FW from that it needed new tires and she was surprised and said there is nothing wrong with those tires we never had any trouble with them. They pulled it twice a summer to camp with local family. I pulled it 40 miles home with my fingers crossed.

EDIT: I should have said that these were all on wheels. Not perfect and rusted etc.

[Huntindog]

DinTulsa wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

prichardson wrote:
Unfortunately not all can do that. Many TT owners are saddled 14" tires with no ability to go larger so they are stuck with the ST situation.

My 2001 Wilderness purchased new came with 14" tires. That TT had many tire upgrades including 15" rims (still with ST tires) and ended up with 16" rims with LTs. It involved the necessary modifications to make them fit. It was not easy or cheap.
But I did find a way to get tires that would work.

So in my mind, just having 14" tires is not a reason to accept defeat.
I and others can walk you thru the steps towards a solution. Which will be a lot easier for you than it was for us having to figure it out for ourselves

What LT tire did you go with?

By the time I reached that point in the journey, I was not in the mood to go cheap. I wanted the best as I was tired of failures.

So I went with Michelin XPS RIBS.

I recently just got my 3rd set, as the both previous sets were replaced due to age. I won't run tires past 5 years on anything.
I have found that there is a demand for used Michelins with lots of tread left. I sold my last set easily for 300.00. That helps take the sting out of the price of the new ones.

Try to sell used STs.... LOL.

On another note: There are many fine LTs to choose from. Many have had success with BFGs.

[DinTulsa]

Huntindog wrote:

prichardson wrote:
Unfortunately not all can do that. Many TT owners are saddled 14" tires with no ability to go larger so they are stuck with the ST situation.

My 2001 Wilderness purchased new came with 14" tires. That TT had many tire upgrades including 15" rims (still with ST tires) and ended up with 16" rims with LTs. It involved the necessary modifications to make them fit. It was not easy or cheap.
But I did find a way to get tires that would work.

So in my mind, just having 14" tires is not a reason to accept defeat.
I and others can walk you thru the steps towards a solution. Which will be a lot easier for you than it was for us having to figure it out for ourselves

What LT tire did you go with?

[Huntindog]

prichardson wrote:
Unfortunately not all can do that. Many TT owners are saddled 14" tires with no ability to go larger so they are stuck with the ST situation.

My 2001 Wilderness purchased new came with 14" tires. That TT had many tire upgrades including 15" rims (still with ST tires) and ended up with 16" rims with LTs. It involved the necessary modifications to make them fit. It was not easy or cheap.
But I did find a way to get tires that would work.

So in my mind, just having 14" tires is not a reason to accept defeat.
I and others can walk you thru the steps towards a solution. Which will be a lot easier for you than it was for us having to figure it out for ourselves

[prichardson]

Unfortunately not all can do that. Many TT owners are saddled 14" tires with no ability to go larger so they are stuck with the ST situation.

[Huntindog]

prichardson wrote:
I feel the jury is still out. Both the Goodyear Endurance and Carisle HD are too new to know if either will handle ageing any better than previous ST tires.

This^^

Though early reports seem good, they are just that. Early.
At this point I would still consider them experimental for real world use.
My ST tire experiments ended around 2006. I spent far too much money trying to get STs that would work. At that time I bought into the marketing hype, and the constant theme here on the forums that I was doing something wrong to be having all those failures.

I ultimately found that what I was doing wrong was spending $$$$ on ST tires.

I made the jump to LTs and the failures stopped cold. I no longer give my tires much thought. They just flat out work... Just like they should.

Maybe this new crop of supposedly improved ST tires will prove themselves over time.... But it won't be with my money.
These are the same companies that touted the benefits of their previous ST tires as they cheerfully took my money.

[TxGearhead]

I replaced 3+ year old Maxxis with the new Carlisle HD. No issues at all with the Maxxis. Deciding factors were the good reviews and cost. WalMart had the 235 80 16 priced on line for $77 and Discount Tire matched it.

[prichardson]

I feel the jury is still out. Both the Goodyear Endurance and Carisle HD are too new to know if either will handle ageing any better than previous ST tires.

[JIMNLIN]

Five years ago Carlisle had nothing but the very problematic Radial Trail series that set records for tire complaints on NHTSA complaints website.

Then in early '13 Carlisle came out with the much improved RH series and in '16 the new HD.

Carlisle has been around making niche tires like the ST tire and IMO they now have a much improved tire in the HD. However time and miles will tell us just how good they are.