Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[rcpd34]

Taco wrote:
My truck will pull up a grade faster than an 06 duramax stock for stock because it has more horsepower. Doesn't matter if it is 8k or 14k.

I try and stay on the sidelines after watching this thread beat the same horse to death over and over again, but sometimes a comment pops up and I can control myself. Your saying your 6.0 gas will out pull a 6.6 Duramax? Are you high?

[Taco]

if yours was stock I would out pull you on a grade. I see that you needed more power so you modified it. yours most likely makes more horsepower now so I would expect you to win.


trying to explain the gearing and how it multiplies torque to a diesel owner is like explaining physics to a chimp. anyways the truck with more horsepower given appropriate gearing will tow faster up a grade.

[jevanb]

yes i get 12.5 pulling our 5er, and no I did not take a loss selling the 04HD 6.0 and I also only have 85k on the current truck odometer, I guess the big 3 are all idiots for selling and employing thousands for making diesels trucks because TACO said so. hell taco should of got a VW buss because they a cheaper and hook up a popup to it and hit the roads because his reasoning is if I spend my hard earned money to buy whatever I want it is wrong and folish. taco BTW I am coming down this summer to VA beach in tow and we can line up empty and see who is faster at sea level and with both trailers hooked up

[rhagfo]

Taco wrote:
My truck will pull up a grade faster than an 06 duramax stock for stock because it has more horsepower. Doesn't matter if it is 8k or 14k.

Well let us know how it goes when you pull 14K up a hill! I think that gasser of yours will be in for a big surprise unless you are running at least 4.10's or lower, you don't have the torque!

[Rvndave]

Taco wrote:
My truck will pull up a grade faster than an 06 duramax stock for stock because it has more horsepower. Doesn't matter if it is 8k or 14k.

Are you saying weight has no bearing on towing ability? An extra 6k in weight is going to make a difference. Horsepower is a calculation of torque, torque is measurable and is what turns my tires on the way to the top. As far as I am concerned HP ratings are bogus numbers.............See you at the top of the hill, after I wait up for ya!!!!!

[Taco]

My truck will pull up a grade faster than an 06 duramax stock for stock because it has more horsepower. Doesn't matter if it is 8k or 14k.

[rhagfo]

Taco wrote:

jevanb wrote:
folishly??? I bet you 10 bucks I spend less for my 06 brand new then you paid for you 2012 and I also pull in the mountains of kentucky, wva, va,tenn, and planning to going to montana and then down to phoenix thru the rockies with our 13k 5er, lets see your 6.0 do that, it prob would but I would not want to do it and I also towed my entire house hold goods in 05 from MD to MI and the hills on 70 killed that truck with 7-8k behind it. I made that trip 6 times with that trailer loaded and hated it everytime plus getting 9mpg sucked

You may have spent less for your 06 but I have a truck that is 6 years newer. and in 06 I could have bought a 6.0 gas for less than your truck. I don't really see how it applies. Foolishly speaks to the fact that you got rid of a perfectly good truck which I'm sure you took a loss on to spend a rather large upcharge for another truck. The gm 6.0 will tow 13k if you need it to. Might get a little slow in higher elevations where the diesels turbocharged engine really shines but it will do the job.

Yes 8 mpg sucks but the diesel will never pay for itself in my use in lower fuel costs. The price you pay for the diesel engine will buy lots of fuel. My truck will pull any interstate grade you will find short of the high elevation ones in the rockies at 62 mph at 3800 rpm so at about 60% of redline. I wouldn't call this killing the truck by any means. 20 years ago you could buy a truck with a 3 speed auto and a 4.56 rear and you would turn those kind of rpm for hours straight to go 65 down the interstate. People back then just weren't so scared of rpm.

Taco, will your 6.0 pull 14K as well as it pulls 8K??

You might look at what Jevanb is pulling with his Dmax!

Sorry that 6.0 gasser is fine for lighter loads, but doesn't have the torque to move the big loads.

Yes the cost savings take a while to make up, unless it is a Daily Driver.

In addition 8 mpg as opposed to 12 mpg (not stated, but about right) means that Jevanb is getting 50% better fuel mileage and likely only speeding 10% more than regular gas.

Driven both with the same trailer, 460 (7.5 liter) F250, and 5.9 (359 ci.) Cummins 460 had 148K miles, the Cummins had 234K miles 100 ci less engine and the difference of night and day, the Cummins had no issue holding speed on hills.

[doublenot7]

I see this thread has progressed very usefully.

[Taco]

jevanb wrote:
folishly??? I bet you 10 bucks I spend less for my 06 brand new then you paid for you 2012 and I also pull in the mountains of kentucky, wva, va,tenn, and planning to going to montana and then down to phoenix thru the rockies with our 13k 5er, lets see your 6.0 do that, it prob would but I would not want to do it and I also towed my entire house hold goods in 05 from MD to MI and the hills on 70 killed that truck with 7-8k behind it. I made that trip 6 times with that trailer loaded and hated it everytime plus getting 9mpg sucked

You may have spent less for your 06 but I have a truck that is 6 years newer. and in 06 I could have bought a 6.0 gas for less than your truck. I don't really see how it applies. Foolishly speaks to the fact that you got rid of a perfectly good truck which I'm sure you took a loss on to spend a rather large upcharge for another truck. The gm 6.0 will tow 13k if you need it to. Might get a little slow in higher elevations where the diesels turbocharged engine really shines but it will do the job.

Yes 8 mpg sucks but the diesel will never pay for itself in my use in lower fuel costs. The price you pay for the diesel engine will buy lots of fuel. My truck will pull any interstate grade you will find short of the high elevation ones in the rockies at 62 mph at 3800 rpm so at about 60% of redline. I wouldn't call this killing the truck by any means. 20 years ago you could buy a truck with a 3 speed auto and a 4.56 rear and you would turn those kind of rpm for hours straight to go 65 down the interstate. People back then just weren't so scared of rpm.

[Jarlaxle]

Not my fault you are not willing to drive your gasser properly. Downshift and let it rev. If pulling a long grade with a' 5er means kicking down and spinning RPM...then it does, it's fine. Won't hurt anything.

[jevanb]

Taco wrote:

jevanb wrote:
the white smoke was a injector stuck open, and the 6.0 has a prob with EGR coolers leaking into the intake which the steam pops the head gaskets, as for the 6.0 chevy I had one and it towed like a turd, after the first time going up a rather large bridge and I thought the motor was going to come apart from the RPM to maintain 65mph I went out and bought a brand new Dmax

My 2012 6.0 will pull my 8k up any hill I have presented to it in the mountains of west virginia plenty fast enough for me without coming close to the redline.

I have spent considerable time in michigan and think I know what bridge you are talking about. anyways congrats on spending 10k+ to go over a bridge that takes about a minute or less to cross and to tow around an otherwise pancake flat state. Must be nice to have money to spend foolishly.

folishly??? I bet you 10 bucks I spend less for my 06 brand new then you paid for you 2012 and I also pull in the mountains of kentucky, wva, va,tenn, and planning to going to montana and then down to phoenix thru the rockies with our 13k 5er, lets see your 6.0 do that, it prob would but I would not want to do it and I also towed my entire house hold goods in 05 from MD to MI and the hills on 70 killed that truck with 7-8k behind it. I made that trip 6 times with that trailer loaded and hated it everytime plus getting 9mpg sucked

[Taco]

jevanb wrote:
the white smoke was a injector stuck open, and the 6.0 has a prob with EGR coolers leaking into the intake which the steam pops the head gaskets, as for the 6.0 chevy I had one and it towed like a turd, after the first time going up a rather large bridge and I thought the motor was going to come apart from the RPM to maintain 65mph I went out and bought a brand new Dmax

My 2012 6.0 will pull my 8k up any hill I have presented to it in the mountains of west virginia plenty fast enough for me without coming close to the redline.

I have spent considerable time in michigan and think I know what bridge you are talking about. anyways congrats on spending 10k+ to go over a bridge that takes about a minute or less to cross and to tow around an otherwise pancake flat state. Must be nice to have money to spend foolishly.

[jevanb]

Madhatter1 wrote:

Taco wrote:
On the way to work today there was a ford superduty diesel 6.0 or 6.4 in the slow lane going about 5 mph billowing white smoke.

I just went right by him in my chevy 6.0 gasser.

No point to this post, just what happened this morning. Everyone knows what the problem is with those engines.

So a gasser can pass a disabled Diesel going up a hill? You are right, pointless. What is the problem with those engines?

the white smoke was a injector stuck open, and the 6.0 has a prob with EGR coolers leaking into the intake which the steam pops the head gaskets, as for the 6.0 chevy I had one and it towed like a turd, after the first time going up a rather large bridge and I thought the motor was going to come apart from the RPM to maintain 65mph I went out and bought a brand new Dmax

[64thunderbolt]

smcrea wrote:

64thunderbolt wrote:
vote for Obama, he'll fix all that, LOL. The fuel prices are a joke. The traders do what they want and are not responsible to anyone. If the wind blows the wrong way it goes up immediately. Then it takes months to come back down.

Here in Az the Phx area gets most of the fuel from Ca. How can it be piped all the way here and sold for $1.00 less than in Ca?? It's not difficult to see who is screwing the public over there.

PLEASE PLEASE Don't get me going on politics! LOL!! :B

Yep, I live in CA. The State is totally broke thanks to Liberal Fiscal irresponsibility. You want to try rolling a red light turn these days!... Phewwww you'd better get another mortgage on the house (Oh sorry I forgot, you can't get a mortgage these days!)

PLEASE Arizona.. will you PLEASE PLEASE let me Immigrate to your great State?

There we go.. it's off my chest.. now.... Back to Trucks! 🙂

Signed,

A LEGAL Immigrant to The Great United States.

C'mon over.

[vagunter]

just a quick note saying how much I LOVE a diesel engine. Towed my camper up to the mountains and back Was able to maintain speed up the grade and managed to get very decent fuel mileage. I will probably never go back to gas for towing. Unload i get around 17 mpg mixed city and highway!