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Diesel vs gas......................

blt2ski
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OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.



Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty
92 Navistar dump truck, 7.3L 7 sp, 4.33 gears with a Detroit no spin
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Hannibal
Explorer
Explorer
64thunderbolt wrote:
I have to believe the aux batt option is for a gasser. Never have I seen a diesel of any brand with one batt.

Been towing a 5er for 15 yrs and one alt has been enough. Option may be cheap till you have to replace one on your dime. The only reason I can see is like was said before, running a big inverter for a welder etc.


Youngsters... The first vintage diesel pickups had one battery. Cold weather starting with glow plugs and heater grids is why they went to two batteries.
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Madhatter1
Explorer
Explorer
Taco wrote:
On the way to work today there was a ford superduty diesel 6.0 or 6.4 in the slow lane going about 5 mph billowing white smoke.

I just went right by him in my chevy 6.0 gasser.

No point to this post, just what happened this morning. Everyone knows what the problem is with those engines.


So a gasser can pass a disabled Diesel going up a hill? You are right, pointless. What is the problem with those engines?

Taco
Explorer
Explorer
On the way to work today there was a ford superduty diesel 6.0 or 6.4 in the slow lane going about 5 mph billowing white smoke.

I just went right by him in my chevy 6.0 gasser.

No point to this post, just what happened this morning. Everyone knows what the problem is with those engines.

64thunderbolt
Explorer II
Explorer II
I have to believe the aux batt option is for a gasser. Never have I seen a diesel of any brand with one batt.

Been towing a 5er for 15 yrs and one alt has been enough. Option may be cheap till you have to replace one on your dime. The only reason I can see is like was said before, running a big inverter for a welder etc.
Glen
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rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
smcrea wrote:
rhagfo wrote:
Most Diesels come with two batteries for starting.


It looks like the Chevy gives you the option, and standard is a single of both.

Considering the low price of these two options (a couple of hundred bucks) then I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and get them.

So How does the dual alternator work?

Are they simply ganged together or do they power separate systems on the truck?

The two batteries same question?.. Is the Aux a HOT standby in-case the primary fails or are they simply ganged together in parallel supplying 12v at a higher current for turning? If the second is the case then yes you will get better starter turning but when one goes bad then you can expect the other to go bad at about the same time doubling the replacement cost!!


Well on my Ram CTD they are in parallel, one one each side of the engine bay, both grounded to the frame with a 00 cable between the positive post!

This is one place where maintenance on a diesel can cost more. I just needed to replace my batteries, never one always in pairs.
I got two 72 month OEM batteries at the local dealer for $178 total for both!
The beauty of dual batteries, swap one at a time and you don't loose radio presets!
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smcrea
Explorer II
Explorer II
rhagfo wrote:
Most Diesels come with two batteries for starting.


It looks like the Chevy gives you the option, and standard is a single of both.

Considering the low price of these two options (a couple of hundred bucks) then I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and get them.

So How does the dual alternator work?

Are they simply ganged together or do they power separate systems on the truck?

The two batteries same question?.. Is the Aux a HOT standby in-case the primary fails or are they simply ganged together in parallel supplying 12v at a higher current for turning? If the second is the case then yes you will get better starter turning but when one goes bad then you can expect the other to go bad at about the same time doubling the replacement cost!!

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
Most Diesels come with two batteries for starting.
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

transamz9
Explorer
Explorer
Unless you are building an ambulance or plan on running your camper off of your truck through a power inverter I would skip those options.
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smcrea
Explorer II
Explorer II
OK Could I return the tread back to questions and answers?

I'm still on my truck buying research and have pretty much defined the general spec on what i would like:

  • 3500
    Crew Cab
    Diesel
    SRW
    4WD
    Long Box



Now my wife and i are working together on the options.. etc.

But a couple more questions on mechanics..

Two options that are listed are:

  • Dual Alternator
    Aux Battery


As we will be using this for towing then I'm leaning towards getting a dual alternator. Does anyone have any opinions? the option is surprisingly inexpensive

The Aux battery I suspect is probably best for cold cold climates 9I live in San Diego and don't travel to the deep cold in winter.. However the option is again quite inexpensive so I'm wondering if its worth while.

Would appreciate any inputs!

Thanks

Hannibal
Explorer
Explorer
That would be one wicked moped!:B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKCUg-ttufc&feature=related
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2017 Jayco 28RLS TT 32.5'

transamz9
Explorer
Explorer
American muscle!!!!!Getcha some LOL
2016 Ram 3500 Mega Cab Limited/2013 Ram 3500 SRW Cummins(sold)/2005 RAM 2500 Cummins/2011 Sandpiper 345 RET (sold) 2015 Sanibel 3601/2008 Nitro Z9 Mercury 250 PRO XS the best motor made.

Madhatter1
Explorer
Explorer
Hannibal wrote:
Yes a car. It's a car size engine. Fits in a car with room to spare. Little I6 car engine.:B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_kjaxIDzc


You Sir are a real tool. The Cummins B series is now just a car engine. And your gasser belongs in a moped.

Jarlaxle
Explorer II
Explorer II
That car should be removed from the road as a safety hazard and crushed. The owner should be horsewhipped to death.
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smcrea
Explorer II
Explorer II
Hannibal wrote:
Yes a car. It's a car size engine. Fits in a car with room to spare. Little I6 car engine.:B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_kjaxIDzc


Cool!... Thanks for sharing the video! ๐Ÿ™‚

Hannibal
Explorer
Explorer
Yes a car. It's a car size engine. Fits in a car with room to spare. Little I6 car engine.:B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_kjaxIDzc
2020 F250 STX CC SB 7.3L 10spd 3.55 4x4
2010 F250 XLT CC SB 5.4L 5spdTS 3.73
ex '95 Cummins,'98 12v Cummins,'01.5 Cummins,'03 Cummins; '05 Hemi
2017 Jayco 28RLS TT 32.5'