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Dually swing out a question

Butch50
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I just loaded my NL onto my new truck a Dodge DRW and I do have dually swing outs on the camper. On the NL even though it is a 98" wide camper they set the jacks in further on the sides than most campers. So it is very close when loading the camper, like 1/2" on each side. This means that you have to be really careful when loading. Does anybody see any problem adding one or two washers between the swing out jacks and also at the jacks themselves? This would give me about another 1/2" per side which I sure would feel a lot better about.
Butch

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SoCalDesertRid1
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Butch50 wrote:
Well I got the mod finished the other day and this is what I did. If you look closely to the right of the anodized bracket for the swing out you well see 2 pieces of aluminum flat stock that is .25"X 1.5". I ordered some longer bolts and received them. The originals were 1" long and the new ones are 1.5" long. I then drilled the aluminum in the same locations as the bracket and then bolted it to the camper. This gives me right at 99" width which well give me between 1.25 to 1.50" clearance on each side. I well try this and see how it works out, it should not cause any great stress on the jacks or the mounts on the camper.



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SoCalDesertRid1
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NRALIFR wrote:
Butch, if Happijac doesn't make brackets that provide more clearance, I'd seriously consider finding a competent welder that can cut the part of the bracket that has the "Caution" sticker on it in half vertically, and extend its length by doing what I did to my jacks: sandwich a new piece of metal on each side. One benefit to doing it this way would is that you could correct your camper's "pidgin-toed" stance at the same time.

Just noticed that okan-star had that same idea, so now you have two votes for that brilliant suggestion! :B

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98Ranger 96Tacoma
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okan-star
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Looks good

For anyone trying to deal with this issue with attwood or rieco titans check out rieco titan`s website
They make 2 types
One simalar to the attwoods but one side of the swing out is longer giving more extention
And a new type that has a locking action simalar to the happijac type
It says both will work with attwoods
Upto somthing like 9 " extra extention

Butch50
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Well I got the mod finished the other day and this is what I did. If you look closely to the right of the anodized bracket for the swing out you well see 2 pieces of aluminum flat stock that is .25"X 1.5". I ordered some longer bolts and received them. The originals were 1" long and the new ones are 1.5" long. I then drilled the aluminum in the same locations as the bracket and then bolted it to the camper. This gives me right at 99" width which well give me between 1.25 to 1.50" clearance on each side. I well try this and see how it works out, it should not cause any great stress on the jacks or the mounts on the camper.



Butch

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okan-star
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NRALIFR Ok I can see now, For one I was trying to figure how you would raise it and swing it in because mine are real close to the cabover now , but I see when you lift them there in the stock height then. I guess when you flip them out you have to raise the camper to lock it in the out position?
Ive had two sets of happijacs w/ swing outs ,never attwoods swingouts, was glad the camper I have now had attwoods on it. Seems easier to extend, w/ just plate.
I put wireless on, I like these jacks more than any Ive had before.
Even with SRW I had swing outs on my Northstar ts 1000, it made it easier to see w/ mirrors down the side of the camper, I think I`ll look for some attwood swing outs on craigslist just for that reason.
If I try to put my 93.5" wide Lance on a dually I`d have to extend them Im sure

Thanks

NRALIFR
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okan-star wrote:
Hey NRALIFR are my eyes deciving me or are your swing out up side down , there not locking in place ,is there a reason ?


It must just be the blurry image, because they're locked in. I don't think they're upside-down either. I had to replace the swingouts a couple of years ago after doing something dumb and breaking one, and I can tell you that they aren't LH or RH specific. They're both exactly the same, but not sure about up or down. They might not lock in the right spot if they were upside-down.

Here's some better pic's. The jack is in the stowed position, and is locked in on the bottom.



The jack is swung out for lifting the camper here, and will raise up to lock in at the top.



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okan-star
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NRALIFR wrote:
My F450 is a good 2-3" wider than my F350 was. The clearance was tight on the F350 and nonexistent on the new truck, so I had to move the jacks out a few inches.

This is how I did it:



The mounting flanges of the jacks and swing-out brackets are sandwiched between two 3" wide flat steel plates. The distance between bolt centers is about 1-3/4".



If you ever unload your camper on uneven ground, you might find you need more than 1/2" of clearance.

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Hey NRALIFR are my eyes deciving me or are your swing out up side down , there not locking in place ,is there a reason ?
I was just checking out my attwoods incase I need to get swing outs for my 93.5" wide camper in the future , and I went back to your pic.
The attwood ones dont look like they would cut it , Id have to do what you did , but the Reico Titan ones might ,there longer on one side
Anyone done that?

jmtandem
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Well I'm in the process of fixing it so I can have another 1/2" on each side. I talked to Happijac today to see if I could use longer bolts. The bolts on the bracket side are a plow bolt like they use on snow plows. It is flat headed and beveled and then a square before the threads start (I'm sure there is a better name for them). So I took one jack off and took the swing out off and the took it apart. The bolts on the bracket that is anodized just has the bolts loose in it. They are 1" so I went to Fastenal and they didn't have any in stock so they ordered in 8 (a couple of extras) 1.5" grade 5 bolts in zinc the same as the originals. Well be here Friday. I then asked if they had any aluminum flat stock there and they did. The fellow told me they were getting out of it but he had 1.5"X.25" stock. This is the width that I needed. Then to top it all off he had a power hacksaw there so I asked if he would cut it for me so he did.

So now I have 4 1.5"X.25" 16.5" long pieces of aluminum. This is the width that I needed. This well give me another .5" per side. So with what I had already and the .5" addition, this well give me about 1.25" per side. This I can live with.

Looks like my problem is solved. I want to thank everybody for their suggestions. It made me look closer at it and then the light bulb came on.


Sounds great. Maybe let NL know as they don't seem to have an easy solution to the problem.
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okan-star
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okan-star wrote:
Yea they were made by happijac , when I picked up my Outfitter they had them there on the camper for me because I knew there was an issue with my flares on my SRW Dodge, that was in 04

I looked at the happijac store online and didnt see them either

On the northstar I had before that I made some out of 2" box I drilled acsess holes on two sides to get to the nuts with a socket


*********I dont remember ,are the bolts on the flipouts embeded - non removable also ?Seems like they where countersunk allen heads. If not space it out there .************


I know they are not removable on the jacks, but on the 3 campers I had happijac`s on the bolts stuck out farther than the head of the nuts .I see yours dont in the pictures, Outfitter used to put two links of chain under one of the bottom jack bolts and use it as front hold downs

If all else fails call happijac and may be they still have some

Like I said though adding 2 full inches to the swing outs is probably going to give you a mild heart attack when you see it on the ground like that

Could you split the flipouts and weld a plate over it and extend them out just as much as you can get away with, might sound extreem but better than putting that much leveraged force on your camper bracket attachment?


Glad you got it

Butch50
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Well I'm in the process of fixing it so I can have another 1/2" on each side. I talked to Happijac today to see if I could use longer bolts. The bolts on the bracket side are a plow bolt like they use on snow plows. It is flat headed and beveled and then a square before the threads start (I'm sure there is a better name for them). So I took one jack off and took the swing out off and the took it apart. The bolts on the bracket that is anodized just has the bolts loose in it. They are 1" so I went to Fastenal and they didn't have any in stock so they ordered in 8 (a couple of extras) 1.5" grade 5 bolts in zinc the same as the originals. Well be here Friday. I then asked if they had any aluminum flat stock there and they did. The fellow told me they were getting out of it but he had 1.5"X.25" stock. This is the width that I needed. Then to top it all off he had a power hacksaw there so I asked if he would cut it for me so he did.

So now I have 4 1.5"X.25" 16.5" long pieces of aluminum. This is the width that I needed. This well give me another .5" per side. So with what I had already and the .5" addition, this well give me about 1.25" per side. This I can live with.

Looks like my problem is solved. I want to thank everybody for their suggestions. It made me look closer at it and then the light bulb came on.
Butch

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AnEv942
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Butch50 wrote:
Here is what I'm dealing with:

Originally you mentioned washers-I assume between jack & extender and extender & mount (where 4 shown nylock nuts point to right). But I dont see gaining a 1/2" each side, maybe 3/16"? I wouldnt use washers, you would loose any surface clamping force between the metal. IF you have room for washers & that would give you the needed extension use flat bar, but I don't see any threads beyond nylock.

The additional 2" extenders I think might be too much leverage. Max I'd be comfortable with is adding 1/2" maybe 3/4", thats a lot of rotational on structure. Unless you tied front jacks together. Simplest is NRALIFRs suggestion is splitting bracket. It looks like the plate in between hinge and jack is formed, not flat? If so you may need to weld on verses bolting splice plates.
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rooney77
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Were it mine, I'd remove the stock bracket bolted to the camper. Then bolt a 1/4" thick plate (long enough it extends past the camper) to it using those stock bolt holes. Then attach the swing outs to that.
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okan-star
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How about getting some 2"or 3" x 1/4" thick 90 degree angle, bolt it to the jacks , then bolt the other side of the angle to the flat of the swing out , other side of the flat the stickers on. The jack nuts and bolt heads would be sandwiched inbeteen the existing angle return and the new angle return, that would move you out about 1" each side
You could put 4 or more bolts to hold the angle to the swing outs


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rooney77
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Butch50 wrote:
Well I called NL and they don't recommend adding any additional width to the brackets. Keith with NL told me the Happijac does offer and additional brackets but he still does not recommend it. So I'll have to think more of what I want to do.

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions.


I think that's typical CYA. The increase in the moment isn't going to be significant enough to do any damage IMHO.
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