FCA Proposes a Merger with Renault

RobertRyan wrote:

Trucks exist , no Asian based Pickups were ever produced

Oh I see, you are making a play on words with "Asian based". I not talking about where a truck is based or design since that has no baring on an import tariff. I am only talking about where they are produced which most Australian trucks are produced in Thailand and a 25% tariff would force the automakers to move production the Australia.

RobertRyan wrote:
" I hope you can read Engish...Pickups are not Truckshere and anywhere outside NA. Generally referred too as cars or in Australia Utes

Funny, just googling Australian pickup up truck shows many Australian websites calling piuckup truck....trucks. Maybe the rest of Australia doesn't share your US hating ideology. They are also called trucks on Asian and European automaker commercials as well.

RobertRyan wrote:
But the US Colorado has less GVWR and no provision for a 10ft bed

Well of course, I explained why in the first post that you said was supportable incorrect, but have yet to point out what was incorrect. The GVWR of the truck class that the Colorado and other mid-sized trucks are in is capped at 6k GVWR, and we have bigger trucks that can carry more than what a Colorado with a 10 ft bed can so it would be more sensible to buy that if one needed to haul that much. Since we have larger truck options, we don't have to make these small trucks handle more weight. One would just simply go up to the next size of truck that they need.

RobertRyan wrote:
So Scarey Mary I or any other GM executive s an expert on what GM produces outside NA..you are right WOW

Uhm yeah, because the GM Holden exec Peter Keley that said it in an article talking about how the next Holden Colorado will be longer and wider bringing it closer to the size of the current US Colorado. If I find the article I will post it. Also, if you look on page 10 of 2018 Holden Colorado brochure(LINK) it states that the longest Holden Colorado is 5,361 mm which is 211 inches. The longest US Colorado is over a foot longer at 224.9 inches.

Oh, and if you search for the words "truck" or "pickup" in the Holden broshure, you will see that those words are used to describe the Holden Colorado multiple times and the word "ute" is not even used once.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

No you cannot put 25% Tariff that on something does not exist. If you built yes, but they did not exist.,it is much more cost effective to build outside, as what is happening increasingly in the US

Trucks don't exist in Australia? If they do, then you can slap a 25% tariff on it and force truck makes to build trucks there.

Trucks exist , no Asian based Pickups were ever produced

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trucks are not trucks? Australia has vastly greater variety What are you smoking? The US currently has 27 pick up truck model choices the last time I counted. That number almost doubles if you want to count cab and chassis models since

I hope you can read Engish...Pickups are not Truckshere and anywhere outside NA. Generally referred too as cars or in Australia Utes

No, the US Colorad/Canyon or Ranger does not have a 10 ft pickup bed from the factory, but neither does Australia

But the US Colorado has less GVWR and no provision for a 10ft bed

where was I wrong. That the GM exec saying that the US Colorado is longer? So you are saying the person that makes the truck is wrong? Wow.

So Scarey Mary I or any other GM executive s an expert on what GM produces outside NA..you are right WOW

RobertRyan wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

They are not the same frames from what I have read. The US Colorado/Canyon frame is longer to accommodate for the longer beds in our market. The US frame is also supposedly 40% lighter due to the use of "high-strength steel" while still having the same yield strength according to GM

I do not think so as you can get 10ft Utility beds on the Colorado here US payloads are a lot less

Well then take it up with GM because their own executive said the US version is longer and wider than the Holden version. Payload are a lot less in the US for these trucks because

1)The GVWR of the class these trucks are in is capped at 6k so having a 4.5-5k curb weight does not leave you with much room even if the truck could handle it.

2) Unlike other market, the NA market has more truck choices so truck makes don't have to build these trucks to handle more weight since we have bigger trucks for towing/hauling more weight without needing a special licence. Most people would rather have a larger truck here anyways which is the reason why our large trucks outsell these smaller trucks almost 5 to 1 in the US.

Wrong on virtually everything you said. Do you have a 10ft bed? We do not have that restriction on weight , these US Pickups are not " trucks" and the variety is vastly greater here of actual trucks

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So where was I wrong. That the GM exec saying that the US Colorado is longer? So you are saying the person that makes the truck is wrong? Wow.

US trucks are not trucks? Australia has vastly greater variety What are you smoking? The US currently has 27 pick up truck model choices the last time I counted. That number almost doubles if you want to count cab and chassis models since most have a cab and chassis version as well. How many does Australia have?

No, the US Colorad/Canyon or Ranger does not have a 10 ft pickup bed from the factory, but neither does Australia. You can probably have one added on there just like you can here, but neither do not come from the factory with a 10 ft pickup bed.

RobertRyan wrote:

No you cannot put 25% Tariff that on something does not exist. If you built yes, but they did not exist.,it is much more cost effective to build outside, as what is happening increasingly in the US

Trucks don't exist in Australia? If they do, then you can slap a 25% tariff on it and force truck makes to build trucks there.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

If Australia would have put heavy tariffs on their ute's like the US does with their trucks, then it would force these trucks makers to move their factories to Australia instead of in Thailand

No they never built them in Australia, so 25% on something that does not exist does not make sense. Losing their subsidies made US owners shut down manufacturing not Tariffs. FTA' are recent phenomenen , cheaper Labour and efficiencies due to many manufacturers in the area attracted other manufacturers

You are not get what I am saying. A 25% tariff would force truck manufacturers to build your own ute's domestically without the need to give subsidies because it would make it more cost effective to build in Australia instead of Thailand.

No you cannot put 25% Tariff that on something does not exist. If you built yes, but they did not exist.,it is much more cost effective to build outside, as what is happening increasingly in the US

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

They are not the same frames from what I have read. The US Colorado/Canyon frame is longer to accommodate for the longer beds in our market. The US frame is also supposedly 40% lighter due to the use of "high-strength steel" while still having the same yield strength according to GM

I do not think so as you can get 10ft Utility beds on the Colorado here US payloads are a lot less

Well then take it up with GM because their own executive said the US version is longer and wider than the Holden version. Payload are a lot less in the US for these trucks because

1)The GVWR of the class these trucks are in is capped at 6k so having a 4.5-5k curb weight does not leave you with much room even if the truck could handle it.

2) Unlike other market, the NA market has more truck choices so truck makes don't have to build these trucks to handle more weight since we have bigger trucks for towing/hauling more weight without needing a special licence. Most people would rather have a larger truck here anyways which is the reason why our large trucks outsell these smaller trucks almost 5 to 1 in the US.

Wrong on virtually everything you said. Do you have a 10ft bed? We do not have that restriction on weight , these US Pickups are not " trucks" and the variety is vastly greater here of actual trucks

Anyone remember the car that they collaborated on? I beleive it was a Renault Alliance.

RobertRyan wrote:

They are not the same frames from what I have read. The US Colorado/Canyon frame is longer to accommodate for the longer beds in our market. The US frame is also supposedly 40% lighter due to the use of "high-strength steel" while still having the same yield strength according to GM

I do not think so as you can get 10ft Utility beds on the Colorado here US payloads are a lot less

Well then take it up with GM because their own executive said the US version is longer and wider than the Holden version. Payload are a lot less in the US for these trucks because

1)The GVWR of the class these trucks are in is capped at 6k so having a 4.5-5k curb weight does not leave you with much room even if the truck could handle it.

2) Unlike other market, the NA market has more truck choices so truck makes don't have to build these trucks to handle more weight since we have bigger trucks for towing/hauling more weight without needing a special licence. Most people would rather have a larger truck here anyways which is the reason why our large trucks outsell these smaller trucks almost 5 to 1 in the US.