Fifty percent more payload in a F-150

[TomG2]

I picked up 2017 F-150 Supercab with the 5.0 Liter engine last month. No tow package, no suspension upgrades. 2,312 pounds of Payload on the yellow sticker which is fifty percent more than most of the other F-150's on the lot which averaged about 1,650 pounds. They must automatically beef up the suspension for the V-8, and I am glad that they did. Too many half tons run out of payload with 800 pounds of people and gear and 900 pound tongue load. I won't. All that for a little over $30k. I know that there are models with even more payload, but they charge more for them.

[spoon059]

FishOnOne wrote:
Coming from the guy who gets wrapped too tight around the axle...

Grow up old man!

Not even sure what that means. Way to be relevant in time and topic though Troy...

[TomG2]

You mean that a lighter but otherwise identical truck cannot haul more in the way of cargo and passenger weight than a heavier unit with the same running gear under it? Ford wasted one heck of a lot of money switching to aluminum or not asking this forum before going ahead with making lighter pickups. Naught from Naught is still Naught.

Sorry but I spec'd too many dump trucks and dump trailers to buy your premise. Throw out Ford's ratings if you don't believe them and start loading the bed and see which one hits the bump stops first. It will be the one that started out heavier.

[burningman]

I've got a good underwear joke but I probably better not post it here.

I think everyone is a little mislead by those stickers. If two trucks both physically have the same axles under them they can both carry the same weight. The factory sticker limits can be affected by the original wheels/tires, the gear ratio, the engine or transmission, and sometimes by options that actually place extra weight up front where it doesn't make any real difference.

The heavier 3/4 and 1-ton trucks with the silly-low payloads are due to legal posturing, not actual capability. They want to keep the total GVWR rating under a certain number so the truck fits a certain class, on paper. It's got nothing to do with reality.

When a guy says "Look, my sticker said I could put 800 pounds more in my truck!" I understand why that's a good thing but it's an imaginary hurdle you've jumped. The guy with the 1600 pound sticker on his F150 doesn't have to leave his generator and tools home.

These trucks can all do a lot more than those stickers say! Ask any stone mason or landscaper or other tradesman who successfully uses these things every day to really work.

[FishOnOne]

spoon059 wrote:

TomG2 wrote:
You might want to up your comedic skills.

I might suggest the next larger size in underwear... yours appears to be getting tight...

Coming from the guy who gets wrapped too tight around the axle...

Grow up old man!

[TomG2]

My only point was that five years ago there were not a lot of options in the 2,000 pound to 2,500 pound payload range. A few heavily optioned half ton models and some overloaded three quarter ton pickups met that criteria. My last two pickups were a 3,000 pound payload 2500HD and a 1,600 pound payload F-150. I like having more choices in between.

[kw_00]

You got a really nice deal on a very capable truck. Yes I was surprised that ford was able to increase the payload as well on that truck. 2300 plus pounds is awesome for a 1/2 ton. Enjoy it no matter what anyone says, I pull with a gas job and don't care one bit when people find out that's it's not a diesel. We all need to enjoy camping when we can for sure, one day the economy may not let us... Buy what you can afford and need, pay in cash if you can. If I didn't need a 3/4 ton then I would not own one. So enjoy that truck! Sounds like it fits your specific budget and needs! Don't care what anybody else says, it's your money! Just on a side note.. When you travel to other countries, they don't have big trucks....yep small midsized trucks due to price and roads... People dream of what we have in the USA.... We are more then blessed to drive anything that we have.... Shoot just having shoes on our feet is more then some have...

[TomG2]

Grit dog wrote:
Tom, you should take a time out and chill....

I may just do that and thanks for the advice. People on here are full of **** and advice. For others. There is a very easy and available device called "Blocking" if my presence bothers you or anyone else. I would NEVER tell someone they should not be on here. I thought it was a public forum. I can post the same old same old stuff, if that is what it takes to keep me in good standing. Let's see; Honda, iphones, diesel, Verizon. I got it.

I was late to the party but pleasantly surprised to discover the increase in payload that Ford has achieved with the current F-150's. Period. That did not make me grumpy. I wonder what did?

[Grit_dog]

Which one of the grumpy old men is TomG2?
Walter Matthau or Jack Lemmon?

Tom, you should take a time out and chill....

[Hybridhunter]

Wow - What a bunch of insecure truck owners....Who are so full of biases, and totally miss the point.

Nive purchase Tom - A thinking mans truck! You could put 2000# in that thing and I bet it would drive like it was not even loaded. (Oh wait, ratings only apply to half tons when they are low, and never to 3.4 ton trucks, riiiiight)

I also think it's really classy people posting BS and taking personal shots at you, and then commenting you take it personally. Pathetic.

[TomG2]

Atlee wrote:
I believe you missed one important point. You said your truck has a 3800# RGAWR. Note mine is a 4800# RGAWR. And the same goes for the front axle. That's quite a bit of difference.

You purchased a vehicle with a higher GVWR than mine and you got a vehicle with higher GVWR than mine. No surprise there. The same model as mine but with steel in place of aluminum will have less payload. That is my only contribution. Not comparing to models with higher GVWR ratings. That would be stupid.

[TomG2]

VernDiesel wrote:
I think you missed Atlee's point.

No offense to OP but for the reality of stability & safely towing your truck isn't any more competent for handling a TT than any other f150 that has the same light 3,225 & 3,800 axle weight ratings and 6,900 GVWR regardless of the payload sticker. ........snip.....

GVWR is the total weight that the vehicle is designed and rated for. I follow Ford's advice and recommendation that that the vehicle is designed to carry 2,312 pounds of passengers and cargo as the yellow sticker which is specific to my vehicle states. I also believe that if I chose to remove the rear seat then my payload would go up that tiny amount while my GVWR would remain the same. Same way when they went from steel to aluminum. Less empty weight leaves more payload. To say that going to aluminum construction did not increase available payload must be a huge surprise to Ford and I want to be there when they are so informed.

[Atlee]

I believe you missed one important point. You said your truck has a 3800# RGAWR. Note mine is a 4800# RGAWR. And the same goes for the front axle. That's quite a bit of difference.

TomG2 wrote:

Atlee wrote:
That truck should serve you well. The 5.0 is a great engine.

By comparison, my 2014, last year of the steel body, which has the HD package, and Max Tow package is:

GVWR = 8200
Front GAWR = 4050
Rear GAWR = 4800
CCC = 2286
GCWR = 17100
Wheel Base = 163"
XLT Supercab, 4x4, w/ 3.5L Ecoboost

That is my point. I stalked the Ford sales lots for years and never found a F-150 with payload much over about 2,000 pounds. Now, even the base models with the V-8, like mine, are in that range. The times are changing.

[VernDiesel]

I think you missed Atlee's point.

No offense to OP but for the reality of stability & safely towing your truck isn't any more competent for handling a TT than any other f150 that has the same light 3,225 & 3,800 axle weight ratings and 6,900 GVWR regardless of the payload sticker. Sharing this with you is not in anyway an attack on you it's just for the reader base to understand that the payload sticker does not define platform stability for towing.

Axle ratings with scaled drive & steer weight distribution, CVWR, and even max tow rating are more useful and then actual GVWR. The payload sticker is useful for determining what you can safely put in the bed when you don't have a scale.

[TomG2]

Atlee wrote:
That truck should serve you well. The 5.0 is a great engine.

By comparison, my 2014, last year of the steel body, which has the HD package, and Max Tow package is:

GVWR = 8200
Front GAWR = 4050
Rear GAWR = 4800
CCC = 2286
GCWR = 17100
Wheel Base = 163"
XLT Supercab, 4x4, w/ 3.5L Ecoboost

That is my point. I stalked the Ford sales lots for years and never found a F-150 with payload much over about 2,000 pounds. Now, even the base models with the V-8, like mine, are in that range. The times are changing.