Ford finally releases specs for F-150 3.0L diesel

[ShinerBock]

Power - 250 hp at 3,250 RPM and 440 lb-ft at 1,750 RPM

Max Towing - 11,400 lbs


Still underpowered to me(your towing preferences may be different) for the size of truck it is going in and an 11k tow rating, but I am sure there will be a market for it like the Ecodiesel. By the towing specs, it seems to be offered in the HD F150 which is something Ram needs for the Ecodiesel and its dismal payload.


TFL Truck: FORD RELEASES POWER, TORQUE, TOWING SPECS FOR 3.0L POWERSTROKE DIESEL

[MFL]

Wow...like the Ev Rbt, it just keeps going!

Jerry

[Allamakee1]

Average length of ownership for vehicles in the US is 71.4 months. So depending on who's figures you want to look at, that's a savings of $1,803 or $3,361 for your AVERAGE driver on that time-span. Now were the niche is, any higher than the 16,500 miles, that's where you can save some serious money.

[ShinerBock]

Allamakee1 wrote:

So your claiming not a single person used anything but the weakest fuel that reported their mpg on Fuelly? ok? Does it not say anything about increased performance in that manual with premium fuel or differences in performance with different fuel grades? So according to you, that fuelly number just happens to coincide with the cheapest possible option. I don't believe that for a second....Cherry picking?

What I understand is that fuel mileage increases with better fuel, in-case you didn't know that.

Seriously?

As I said before I put over 200k on two 3.5L Ecoboost trucks(80k on my 4wd personal truck and 150k on a 2wd company truck) and the average between the both of them was 16 mpg just like fuelly states and I NEVER used anything other than regular octane. We also have over 200 parts delivery and sales trucks in our 500+ truck fleet at work and NONE of them have ever used premium or mid-grade fuel while averaging dang near what fuelly states.


So how many miles of experience do you have driving a 3.5L Ecoboost to say that the 16.2 mpg average on fuelly is with premium or mid-grade fuel?

[Allamakee1]

ShinerBock wrote:
Exactly! there is just not enough of a monetary benefit for most half ton truck owners for that they will have to give up. I don't think I am alone in saying that I would not give up 135 more horsepower and better performance for a monthly savings of less than half of what it takes me to fill up a 26 gallon fuel tank.

Although if you look at it in another way, I have paid thousands just to add 100 hp in my vehicles so paying an extra $250-350 a year for another 135 hp and 50 lb-ft is actually a dang good deal.

This is RV.net. Take that into consideration. Most half ton owners do nothing but commute and drive back and forth from the store. What possible reason does one have to need 135 more horsepower when it's costing them extra money (somewhere between $303 and $565 a year-a whole months truck payment for some is in that range)?

Now for performance, that is an opinion again. Good for you, you made it up the hill faster than me by a whole minute, but you also got 2-mpg at that time. That is not good performance in my mind.

As far as I'm concerned, you have no historical data on the subject. The one fact you reported was about a newly introduced truck in the very first year.

[Allamakee1]

ShinerBock wrote:
So you are assuming that every Ecoboost owner uses mid-grade fuel to make your numbers look better instead of using the regular octane that the owners manual actually states? What does it matter what YOU did with your Chevy. We are not discussing what YOU do and are discussing what the AVERAGE truck buyer does which is follow the owners manual. Yeah, about that cherry picking......

So your claiming not a single person used anything but the weakest fuel that reported their mpg on Fuelly? ok? Does it not say anything about increased performance in that manual with premium fuel or differences in performance with different fuel grades? So according to you, that fuelly number just happens to coincide with the cheapest possible option. I don't believe that for a second....Cherry picking?

What I understand is that fuel mileage increases with better fuel, in-case you didn't know that.

[ShinerBock]

mich800 wrote:
I feel like I am watching Good Will Hunting. As long as the fuel differential remains in the 20 cent range the payback on the baby diesel will remain over 50k miles. This is longer than most hold onto their vehicles. There are good reasons to purchase the baby diesel option but saving cash is not one of them for those that don't keep their vehicles long term or put a lot of miles on them.

Exactly! there is just not enough of a monetary benefit for most half ton truck owners for that they will have to give up. I don't think I am alone in saying that I would not give up 135 more horsepower and better performance for a monthly savings of less than half of what it takes me to fill up a 26 gallon fuel tank.

Although if you look at it in another way, I have paid thousands just to add 100 hp in my vehicles so paying an extra $250-350 a year for another 135 hp and 50 lb-ft is actually a dang good deal.

[mich800]

I feel like I am watching Good Will Hunting. As long as the fuel differential remains in the 20 cent range the payback on the baby diesel will remain over 50k miles. This is longer than most hold onto their vehicles. There are good reasons to purchase the baby diesel option but saving cash is not one of them for those that don't keep their vehicles long term or put a lot of miles on them.

[ShinerBock]

Allamakee1 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

But the Ecoboost gas engine that were are talking aboutis a variable grade fuel engine and the owners manual recommends regular 87 octane for advertised power levels. Premium is only used if you want higher then advertised power level and performance.


So again, why are you using mid-grade fuel prices and not regular fuel prices?

Taking for granted the fact that people use that higher grade fuel to obtain those numbers on fuelly? Does Fuelly break that down? Give me the average mpg for the lowest/cheapest gasoline then and I'll plug that info in the spreadsheet.

Back with my Chevy, I got significantly lower fuel mileage when I put the cheapest stuff in. I only ran premium a couple of times, but never used the cheapest stuff if I could help it.

So you are assuming that every Ecoboost owner uses mid-grade fuel to make your numbers look better instead of using the regular octane that the owners manual actually states? What does it matter what YOU did with your Chevy. We are not discussing what YOU do and are discussing what the AVERAGE truck buyer does which is follow the owners manual. Yeah, about that cherry picking......

Again, using the correct fuel that the owners manual states our fuel savings for 2017 should look like this driving 10k annual miles

Nation price for regular gasoline
Month- price -mpg- cost
Jan- $2.35 -16.2- $120.83
Feb- $2.30 -16.2- $118.31
Mar- $2.33 -16.2- $119.60
Apr- $2.42 -16.2- $124.33
May- $2.39 -16.2- $122.99
Jun- $2.35 -16.2- $120.73
Jul- $2.30 -16.2- $118.31
Aug- $2.38 -16.2- $122.43
Sep- $2.65 -16.2- $136.06
Oct- $2.51 -16.2- $128.86
Nov- $2.56 -16.2- $131.89
Dec- $2.48 -16.2- $127.42


National price for diesel
month- price -mpg- cost
Jan- $2.58 -22.4- $95.98
Feb- $2.66 -22.4- $98.88
Mar- $2.55 -22.4- $95.01
Apr- $2.58 -22.4- $96.09
May- $2.56 -22.4- $95.24
Jun- $2.51 -22.4- $93.53
Jul- $2.50 -22.4- $92.86
Aug- $2.60 -22.4- $96.54
Sep- $2.79 -22.4- $103.61
Oct- $2.79 -22.4- $103.94
Nov- $2.91 -22.4- $108.22
Dec- $2.91 -22.4- $108.22




Savings per month
Jan- $24.85
Feb- $19.43
Mar- $24.58
Apr- $28.24
May- $27.76
Jun- $27.20
Jul- $25.46
Aug- $25.89
Sep- $32.45
Oct- $24.91
Nov- $23.67
Dec- $19.20
Total $303.63


Amazing how this $303.63 is not too far off from $315.53 I posted earlier using a generic $.25 higher diesel cost isn't it?

[Allamakee1]

ShinerBock wrote:

Allamakee1 wrote:


Same reason I didn't choose higher priced premium gasoline. The price is between the two and the performance/efficiency of the fuel should be between the two. I didn't even use the reformulated price, which I should have because almost every company has their own blend of additives, which falls into the reformulated category if I'm reading that correctly.

But the Ecoboost gas engine that were are talking aboutis a variable grade fuel engine and the owners manual recommends regular 87 octane for advertised power levels. Premium is only used if you want higher then advertised power level and performance.


So again, why are you using mid-grade fuel prices and not regular fuel prices?

Taking for granted the fact that people use that higher grade fuel to obtain those numbers on fuelly? Does Fuelly break that down? Give me the average mpg for the lowest/cheapest gasoline then and I'll plug that info in the spreadsheet.

Back with my Chevy, I got significantly lower fuel mileage when I put the cheapest stuff in. I only ran premium a couple of times, but never used the cheapest stuff if I could help it.

[ShinerBock]

Your fuel savings for 2017 should look like this IF you were using the correct fuel prices and 10k annual miles

Nation price for regular gasoline
Month- price -mpg- cost
Jan- $2.35 -16.2- $120.83
Feb- $2.30 -16.2- $118.31
Mar- $2.33 -16.2- $119.60
Apr- $2.42 -16.2- $124.33
May- $2.39 -16.2- $122.99
Jun- $2.35 -16.2- $120.73
Jul- $2.30 -16.2- $118.31
Aug- $2.38 -16.2- $122.43
Sep- $2.65 -16.2- $136.06
Oct- $2.51 -16.2- $128.86
Nov- $2.56 -16.2- $131.89
Dec- $2.48 -16.2- $127.42


National price for diesel
month- price -mpg- cost
Jan- $2.58 -22.4- $95.98
Feb- $2.66 -22.4- $98.88
Mar- $2.55 -22.4- $95.01
Apr- $2.58 -22.4- $96.09
May- $2.56 -22.4- $95.24
Jun- $2.51 -22.4- $93.53
Jul- $2.50 -22.4- $92.86
Aug- $2.60 -22.4- $96.54
Sep- $2.79 -22.4- $103.61
Oct- $2.79 -22.4- $103.94
Nov- $2.91 -22.4- $108.22
Dec- $2.91 -22.4- $108.22




Savings per month
Jan- $24.85
Feb- $19.43
Mar- $24.58
Apr- $28.24
May- $27.76
Jun- $27.20
Jul- $25.46
Aug- $25.89
Sep- $32.45
Oct- $24.91
Nov- $23.67
Dec- $19.20
Total $303.63


Amazing how this $303.63 is not too far off from $315.53 I posted earlier using a generic $.25 higher diesel cost isn't it?

[Allamakee1]

1stgenfarmboy wrote:
gas in So.IL is 2.42....diesel is 2.80

goducks10 wrote:
.22 difference on average for Oregon.
Reg=2.825
Diesel=3.051

That's the beauty of this spreadsheet and formula. It takes the national average. these aren't my numbers. If your situation is more favorable or worse either direction, then you should personally take that into account when making your decision.

[ShinerBock]

Allamakee1 wrote:


Same reason I didn't choose higher priced premium gasoline. The price is between the two and the performance/efficiency of the fuel should be between the two. I didn't even use the reformulated price, which I should have because almost every company has their own blend of additives, which falls into the reformulated category if I'm reading that correctly.

But the Ecoboost gas engine that were are talking aboutis a variable grade fuel engine and the owners manual recommends regular 87 octane for advertised power levels. Premium is only used if you want higher then advertised power level and performance.


So again, why are you using mid-grade fuel prices and not regular fuel prices?

[goducks10]

.22 difference on average for Oregon.
Reg=2.825
Diesel=3.051

[Allamakee1]

ShinerBock wrote:

Allamakee1 wrote:


You are clearly the one cherry picking, I used every actual price nationwide. I didn't choose any region. My personal prices are actually a little higher than the ones listed.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/PET_PRI_GND_DCUS_NUS_M.htm

Go to the link, select mid-grain gas or on-road diesel and click the graph. Then go to each data point for each fuel and check my numbers for all of 2017. Then go back and repeat it for the other fuel as well.

I'm not speculating diesel does this in this month..... and this in this month....., I'm using the actual national figures for each individual month in my calculations.

Why are you using higher priced mid-grade gasoline prices and not regular?

Same reason I didn't choose higher priced premium gasoline. The price is between the two and the performance/efficiency of the fuel should be between the two. I didn't even use the reformulated price, which I should have because almost every company has their own blend of additives, which falls into the reformulated category if I'm reading that correctly.

[ShinerBock]

Allamakee1 wrote:


You are clearly the one cherry picking, I used every actual price nationwide. I didn't choose any region. My personal prices are actually a little higher than the ones listed.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/PET_PRI_GND_DCUS_NUS_M.htm

Go to the link, select mid-grain gas or on-road diesel and click the graph. Then go to each data point for each fuel and check my numbers for all of 2017. Then go back and repeat it for the other fuel as well.

I'm not speculating diesel does this in this month..... and this in this month....., I'm using the actual national figures for each individual month in my calculations.

Why are you using higher priced mid-grade gasoline prices and not regular?