Is J2807 worthless?
A recent thread was locked due to brand bickering. Before I got a chance to respond to the latest turn of the conversation. It was stated that J2807 a worthless standard by a few people... Primaril...
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Bionic Man wrote:ShinerBock wrote:
That was actually the 2012 numbers, but as I said above they specifically "upgraded" and configured their truck to get high J807 numbers due to the lower standards and loopholes that it does not test. Basically overnight a 4.10 geared Ram 3500 with a 35 hp and 50 lb-ft of torque increase along with a slightly shorter 1-3rd gearing(4th is the same and 5-6th are taller) gave it enough of a performance boost to tow 30k the same as the previous model would tow 22k. Riiiggghhhttt....
Just so you don't think that I am just picking on Ram, I don't think that just a 40 hp and 60 lb-ft increase would allow the F450 to tow 31k with the same performance as it did with towing the 24k it was rated for the previous year either.
I can't speak to the Ford, but you are missing a LOT of the upgrades to RAM between 2012 and 2013. It is a whole new truck.
I listed the upgraded earlier in this thread. However, I am talking about performance upgrades as stated above. There is no way that adding just 35 hp and 50 lb-ft with slightly shorter ratios in the first three gears would allow you to tow 30k with the same performance and towing speed as you would without those upgrades and towing 22k. The only way that could happen is if the performance standards were lowered.
If you are fine with lower performance standards just so you can say your favorite make can tow 30k at a dismal 35 mph then fine. I would rather the standards be raised so it would be rated to tow a lower number at a higher speed closer to the actual speed limit.
