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Feb 02, 2014

Jay Flight vs. Jay Flight Swift

I'm looking at the Jay Flight 28BHBE and the Jay Flight Swift 267BHS. Both are the same floor plan. The differences are mostly just bells and whistles, and the Swift that the dealer has was ordered with quite a few options. Oh and one is two feet longer.
Here's my question.
One big difference is the Swift has NO ducting in the floor for the heater. I am told that the AC and the heat comes from the over head vents. Is that a big deal?
So, does that mean the roof unit supplies heat as well or what?
I haven't looked at either yet, both are at different dealerships an hour away. Just doing my homework before I hit the road.

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My previous TT had single roof mounted AC/Heat unit and it tended to be hot/cold where either end of the unit blew. My Jay Flight 28 ft TT has floor vents for heat and ceiling vents for AC. Still have AC unit on roof and in LR ceiling, but you can control how much AC comes out where by closing vents on unit to force more air into ductwork in bath and bedrooms. Oh yeah, it is also nice having a vent for both heat and ac in bathroom. You can shut the door and still have temp control. I love my JayFlight and will not trade it in until I get ready to buy my fulltime rig in another 5 years.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-02-04T11:22:36.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-02-04T11:22:36.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":696},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:919778/message:919797","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:283554":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:283554","uid":283554,"login":"BillB800si","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-01-09T18:36:50.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:283554"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:919796":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:919796","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:919796":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:283554"},"id":"message:919796","revisionNum":1,"uid":919796,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:919778"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:919778"},"subject":"Re: Jay Flight vs. Jay Flight Swift","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:919796"},"body":"quote=waynec1957

Yes, it is real similar. That Cougar is a nice camper too. It looks a lot like the Jayco Eagle 338 RETS with the smooth sides and bed in the front slide. I like that. We looked real hard at the 338 RETS but it’s 40', another 1,000 lbs heavier, plus $10-15k more expensive than the 33 RLDS. I didn’t want to go over 35’ because that’s going to be hard enough to get into some state parks we like and $10-15k will buy a lot of diesel fuel to pull it with.
Those huge opposing slides are what attracted us to it in the first place but we're having a hard time finding one without the fireplace so we can have the large rear window. Probably end up ordering one./quote..............
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Jayco just brought back out the 338RETS floorplan a few months ago. Just after we bought the Cougar. Had I known I would have waited for Jayco. I spent months looking for a 2012 330RLTS Eagle (Same floorplan as 338RETS)and couldn't find one except way out in California).
That rear window makes a huge difference in atmosphere inside. You think you're in your living room. You can always buy a fireplace at Home depot or Lowes and install it in the lower cabinet (below the rear window). I'll be doing that myself this summer with our Cougar.
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BillB800si wrote:
waynec1957 wrote:
Jayco has been around a long time and Jay Flight has been the number one selling line of TTs for the past 8 years, so if there is something inherently wrong with their production process they've fooled a lot of people. As far as I know, every manufacturer out there builds travel trailers on an assembly line...nobody (that I know of) builds them one at a time from the ground up.As far as the materials used in construction (wood, aluminum, fiberglass, whatever) there are pros and cons for all of them. One of the big factors is cost. Just doing a quick search of RV Trader, for about the same price of 20' 2014 LANCE 1685 Travel Trailer I can buy the 35', Jay Flight 33 RLDS (the one we've settled on). AND, if I do the maintenance, this Jay Flight will outlast me.

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That Jay Flight 33 RLDS looks very similar to our Cougar HC 321RES floorplan. I love the opposing living room slide outs. Really makes a world of difference. And the rear window with the slide up TV is a nice idea. When we traded in our 2007 Jayco Eagle 322FKS for our 2014 Cougar I was looking for a floorplan that Jayco had discontinued in 2012 so we went with the Cougar instead.
Nice trailer,
Happy trails,.



Yes, it is real similar. That Cougar is a nice camper too. It looks a lot like the Jayco Eagle 338 RETS with the smooth sides and bed in the front slide. I like that. We looked real hard at the 338 RETS but it’s 40', another 1,000 lbs heavier, plus $10-15k more expensive than the 33 RLDS. I didn’t want to go over 35’ because that’s going to be hard enough to get into some state parks we like and $10-15k will buy a lot of diesel fuel to pull it with.

Those huge opposing slides are what attracted us to it in the first place but we're having a hard time finding one without the fireplace so we can have the large rear window. Probably end up ordering one.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-02-04T08:04:05.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-02-04T08:04:05.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":667},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:919778/message:919795","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:919794":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:919794","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:919794":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:283554"},"id":"message:919794","revisionNum":1,"uid":919794,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:919778"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:919778"},"subject":"Re: Jay Flight vs. Jay Flight Swift","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:919794"},"body":"
waynec1957 wrote:
Jayco has been around a long time and Jay Flight has been the number one selling line of TTs for the past 8 years, so if there is something inherently wrong with their production process they've fooled a lot of people. As far as I know, every manufacturer out there builds travel trailers on an assembly line...nobody (that I know of) builds them one at a time from the ground up.As far as the materials used in construction (wood, aluminum, fiberglass, whatever) there are pros and cons for all of them. One of the big factors is cost. Just doing a quick search of RV Trader, for about the same price of 20' 2014 LANCE 1685 Travel Trailer I can buy the 35', Jay Flight 33 RLDS (the one we've settled on). AND, if I do the maintenance, this Jay Flight will outlast me.

===========================

That Jay Flight 33 RLDS looks very similar to our Cougar HC 321RES floorplan. I love the opposing living room slide outs. Really makes a world of difference. And the rear window with the slide up TV is a nice idea. When we traded in our 2007 Jayco Eagle 322FKS for our 2014 Cougar I was looking for a floorplan that Jayco had discontinued in 2012 so we went with the Cougar instead.
Nice trailer,
Happy trails,.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-02-04T06:53:39.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-02-04T06:53:39.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":667},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:919778/message:919794","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:11548":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:11548","uid":11548,"login":"WoodGlue","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-08-12T06:41:47.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:11548"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:919793":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:919793","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:919793":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:11548"},"id":"message:919793","revisionNum":1,"uid":919793,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:919778"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:919778"},"subject":"Re: Jay Flight vs. Jay Flight Swift","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:919793"},"body":"Bill, it goes way beyond Azdel as to why I favor Lance.

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As far as the materials used in construction (wood, aluminum, fiberglass, whatever) there are pros and cons for all of them. One of the big factors is cost. Just doing a quick search of RV Trader, for about the same price of 20' 2014 LANCE 1685 Travel Trailer I can buy the 35', Jay Flight 33 RLDS (the one we've settled on). AND, if I do the maintenance, this Jay Flight will outlast me.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-02-04T06:30:03.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-02-04T06:30:03.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":673},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:919778/message:919792","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:919791":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:919791","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:919791":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:283554"},"id":"message:919791","revisionNum":1,"uid":919791,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:919778"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:919778"},"subject":"Re: Jay Flight vs. Jay Flight Swift","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:919791"},"body":"
WoodGlue wrote:
Bill B,
I have a small trailer. The bed IS in the living area and the curtain in the bathroom is great, no knocking your elbows into glass.
I DO have a problem with any kind of trailer manufacturer that is using outdated and outmoded construction techniques.
My Azdel constructed trailer will be around and on the road long after any kind of Jayco Jay Swift or Jay Flight will be. It won't be laying out in someones yard as a DIY handyman's dream!
Thanks for your second compliment of the day!WoodGlue

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Your choice of buying a Lance is your choice but going around knocking all other RV construction is ridiculous. There's RV's on the road that are decades old made from aluminum & wood and fiberglass- period. And for your information mold will grow on wood- aluminum or fiberglass. Keep the RV dry by maintenance and no one will have to worry.\"
For some reason you have this \"personal crusade that your precious Azdel is the only material worth buying. You've been sold a \"bill of goods\" and refuse to admit otherwise.

Just look around- there are literally millions of \"wooden\" houses out there- all in good shape because of maintenance...

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I have a small trailer. The bed IS in the living area and the curtain in the bathroom is great, no knocking your elbows into glass.

I DO have a problem with any kind of trailer manufacturer that is using outdated and outmoded construction techniques.

My Azdel constructed trailer will be around and on the road long after any kind of Jayco Jay Swift or Jay Flight will be. It won't be laying out in someones yard as a DIY handyman's dream!

Thanks for your second compliment of the day!

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WoodGlue wrote:
Jay FlightJay Flight Swift2013 Jay Flight SwiftI Would Also Take This Video Into Consideration
WoodGlue

=========================

Woodglue, just looked over your 2014 Lance 1685 - Loaded - 4 Seasons - Solar - 2 AGM's...........
A curtain to separate the bed from the living area??
A curtain for the shower???
That looks like a step up from the Lance slide on Pick Up truck camper they make... And you're complaining about aluminum & wood trailers that have deluxe sleeping arrangements and updated bath glass enclosed showers?? Come on now...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-02-03T15:35:04.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-02-03T15:35:04.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":670},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:919778/message:919789","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:234609":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:234609","uid":234609,"login":"5rvers","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-05-25T10:44:00.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:234609"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:919788":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:919788","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:919788":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:234609"},"id":"message:919788","revisionNum":1,"uid":919788,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:919778"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:919778"},"subject":"Re: Jay Flight vs. Jay Flight Swift","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:919788"},"body":"http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27199902/gotomsg/27206640.cfm#27206640

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