Jeep Pickup (Gladiator)

dodge guy wrote:

He`s definitely not the smartest out there if he bought a Land Rover! those are probably the biggest POS on the road.

He's not the smartest when making a purchase and why I'm expecting him to replace the Land Rover anytime now. He'll go thru 1-2 vehicles/year with the jeep being the shortest ownership.

I love Jeeps. But I sure wouldn’t want a Wrangler to use if I had to do a lot of highway driving with it. Lots of better options for that.

FishOnOne wrote:

intheburbs wrote:

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? ;)

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

A guy at work owned a jeep for ~1 month earlier this year and after driving it from Houston to San Antonio he couldn't stand the ride with the wandering problem. He traded it on a new Land Rover.

He`s definitely not the smartest out there if he bought a Land Rover! those are probably the biggest POS on the road.

intheburbs wrote:

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? ;)

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

I didn't say you couldn't drive them safe. I have thousands of miles on the JL's. But they wander with every wind blow and change in road. I personally would not want to tow much of anything with them. Maybe a quick trip. But anything longer just wouldn't be worth the effort for me personally.

intheburbs wrote:

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? ;)

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

A guy at work owned a jeep for ~1 month earlier this year and after driving it from Houston to San Antonio he couldn't stand the ride with the wandering problem. He traded it on a new Land Rover.

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? ;)

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

ETA: Answered my own question. It has Dana 44s front and rear.

Wheelbase doesn't hurt...the wheelbase on this new Jeep pickup is a few inches more than my Suburban!

They also redesigned the rear 5 link suspension with heavier parts, the grill openings were widened, and a larger cooling fan was installed. And it comes with 3.73 gears rather than 3.42's the non-Rubicon's usually get.

I read the diesel will have a slightly lower tow rating strictly because the intercooler/aftercooler for the turbo adds some heat to the cooling "stack".

This article has some good info on the changes made to increase tow and payload ratings.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-diesel-jeep-gladiator-pickup-130000498.html

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

ETA: Answered my own question. It has Dana 44s front and rear.

mowermech wrote:

discovery4us wrote:
Our Jeep dealer has been offering a conversion that looks a lot this one for about five years or so. There are probable 5 or 6 running around town, four door and two door wranglers.

Yep, the AEV Brute conversion (there may be others, I don't know). You can even get it with a Hemi V8 installed!
As with so many things, all it takes is time and money. LOTS of money!

Gladiator will be a " Hero" vehicle in the US for FCA