I currently have a fifth wheel. Overall length is 36 ft. It is a nice camper but I would like to change. I love the open double slide in the living room and kitchen. The biggest thing that I like about fifth wheel is how it tows. I almost don't know it is behind me vs the wag that you get with a travel trailer. I think there are better hitches now to reduce wag. One thing I don't like about my camper is the bedroom feels like a coffin. There is only one window. There is no good place for a tv.I have been looking and can not find a floor plan that I am thinking about. This description would be back to front. My thought is to have a rear bath so it is big with full size tub/shower. The bathroom wall facing the living room would be an entertainment center with large tv. I want two large opposing slides to open up the camper. At least two full size sofas, preferably three seating areas. Kitchen and dining table, maybe an island to get the counter top space. The last thing is a bedroom open to the rest of the trailer so we can watch tv from there if we want to. I don't want a fold up bed. We can put up a curtain to pull across to darken at night. All this without having a forty foot trailer. Having a long trailer can limit sites.Has anyone seen anything like this? Or am I just crazy?Thanks for any ideas or input.

Sounds like you’re designing a custom home, lol. You want a bumper pull that pulls the best and has the most open floor plan, get a toyhauler, with combo garage/living space, not a separate garage. If you have a 5ver, you have the truck to tow it. No lack of tongue weight and minimal weight aft of the axles, so pulls straight as an arrow without any sway control.And the added bonus is you gain a porch/deck and a screen wall at the back to really open up the camper during nice weather. The other added bonus is the frame and axles are overbuilt compared to a similar size TT.

Sounds like your television is your main focal point.

tkeaton wrote: The biggest thing that I like about fifth wheel is how it tows. I almost don't know it is behind me vs the wag that you get with a travel trailer. I think there are better hitches now to reduce wag. I have never had a "wag" issue with any of my bumper pull trailers and I have never used WD or anti sway devices.. Have even had to make emergency maneuvers at high way speed to avoid deer running in front of me at night and not even one hint of movement of the trailer wanting to snap out of line.Wag comes from insufficient tongue weight and or insufficient tow vehicle. I have neither as my tongue weight is 15%-16% and use a 3/4 ton truck to tow 18ft, 20ft and 26ft trailers.Back to the rest of your question, most TTs most likely will feel smaller to you from being used to a 5th and not many have large "open floor plans". Your 5th floor sits above the wheels, give you a lot of open floor space to work with. Many bumper pulls will have a lower floor height which goes in between the wheels which often means some loss of usable floor space since cabinets or couches are often used to cover the wheel wells.As far as windows goes, the trend the last 10 yrs or so is to reduce the size and quantity of windows..Depending on the layout, you might be able to find a rear living room with a large rear glass window which might be helpful for you..

Gdetrailer wrote:tkeaton wrote: The biggest thing that I like about fifth wheel is how it tows. I almost don't know it is behind me vs the wag that you get with a travel trailer. I think there are better hitches now to reduce wag. I have never had a "wag" issue with any of my bumper pull trailers and I have never used WD or anti sway devices.. Have even had to make emergency maneuvers at high way speed to avoid deer running in front of me at night and not even one hint of movement of the trailer wanting to snap out of line.Wag comes from insufficient tongue weight and or insufficient tow vehicle. I have neither as my tongue weight is 15%-16% and use a 3/4 ton truck to tow 18ft, 20ft and 26ft trailers.Back to the rest of your question, most TTs most likely will feel smaller to you from being used to a 5th and not many have large "open floor plans". Your 5th floor sits above the wheels, give you a lot of open floor space to work with. Many bumper pulls will have a lower floor height which goes in between the wheels which often means some loss of usable floor space since cabinets or couches are often used to cover the wheel wells.As far as windows goes, the trend the last 10 yrs or so is to reduce the size and quantity of windows..Depending on the layout, you might be able to find a rear living room with a large rear glass window which might be helpful for you..Those are really short TT's in the TT world. If the OP comes close to getting what they desire than It's going to be in the 35' range and way heavier than those short TT's you're towing. TW will be in the 1300-1700 range on that kind of TT. It will tax even 3500's as I've BTDT. I have a 3500 with 4558 CCC and when I drop my 1350lb TW on the rear it drops it a decent amount. Without WDH it would be a floaty POS going down the road. My TW is a little over 14%.To the OP it sounds like a front living unit would be the best. You can always put a TV in the bedroom.

Closest thing that comes to mind are the Keystone Sprinters. 330kbs333fksI dont know if you could get the second sofa by giving up the theatre seating unit.

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Duane4238
Explorer
Mar 05, 2022
Take a look at the Keystone Springdale 311RE. It has opposing slides, and lots of room. I have a 2011 model at my hunting camp and absolutely love the room. It might not fit all of your requirements, but it has the open space you're looking for. Good luck with your search.
Duane
bob_tammy_goodv
Explorer
Feb 21, 2022
we have been looking at the forest river vibe 28RL and the 26RK i think you will like the floor plan
bucky
Explorer II
Feb 15, 2022
Look at front living models with mid kitchens. You can't get any more open than that.
afidel
Explorer II
Feb 14, 2022
goducks10 wrote:
wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Closest thing that comes to mind are the Keystone Sprinters.
330kbs
333fks
I dont know if you could get the second sofa by giving up the theatre seating unit.

$73K MSRP. Thats insane.

The whole industry is insane for pricing the last 18 months or so. My previous trailer was $12,500 5 years ago, the exact same trailer at the same dealership is $22,500 today.
wanderingaimles
Explorer
Feb 13, 2022
Grit dog wrote:
^Yeah it is!
Do they just jack the price because it’s an old peoples camper and not meant for younger folks (with kids and less money, lol)?

The sprinters last year were 8'5" width models, more like a 5er for width and roomy feeling, I believe they still are. That extra width, I'm sure makes the manufacturing cost go up some at least, but yeah, they all have gotten pricier in the last couple years.
Grit_dog
Navigator
Feb 13, 2022
^Yeah it is!
Do they just jack the price because it’s an old peoples camper and not meant for younger folks (with kids and less money, lol)?
goducks10
Explorer
Feb 13, 2022
wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Closest thing that comes to mind are the Keystone Sprinters.
330kbs
333fks
I dont know if you could get the second sofa by giving up the theatre seating unit.

$73K MSRP. Thats insane.
wanderingaimles
Explorer
Feb 13, 2022
Closest thing that comes to mind are the Keystone Sprinters.
330kbs
333fks
I dont know if you could get the second sofa by giving up the theatre seating unit.
goducks10
Explorer
Feb 12, 2022
Gdetrailer wrote:
tkeaton wrote:
The biggest thing that I like about fifth wheel is how it tows. I almost don't know it is behind me vs the wag that you get with a travel trailer. I think there are better hitches now to reduce wag.

I have never had a "wag" issue with any of my bumper pull trailers and I have never used WD or anti sway devices.. Have even had to make emergency maneuvers at high way speed to avoid deer running in front of me at night and not even one hint of movement of the trailer wanting to snap out of line.

Wag comes from insufficient tongue weight and or insufficient tow vehicle. I have neither as my tongue weight is 15%-16% and use a 3/4 ton truck to tow 18ft, 20ft and 26ft trailers.

Back to the rest of your question, most TTs most likely will feel smaller to you from being used to a 5th and not many have large "open floor plans". Your 5th floor sits above the wheels, give you a lot of open floor space to work with.

Many bumper pulls will have a lower floor height which goes in between the wheels which often means some loss of usable floor space since cabinets or couches are often used to cover the wheel wells.

As far as windows goes, the trend the last 10 yrs or so is to reduce the size and quantity of windows..

Depending on the layout, you might be able to find a rear living room with a large rear glass window which might be helpful for you..

Those are really short TT's in the TT world. If the OP comes close to getting what they desire than It's going to be in the 35' range and way heavier than those short TT's you're towing. TW will be in the 1300-1700 range on that kind of TT. It will tax even 3500's as I've BTDT. I have a 3500 with 4558 CCC and when I drop my 1350lb TW on the rear it drops it a decent amount. Without WDH it would be a floaty POS going down the road. My TW is a little over 14%.

To the OP it sounds like a front living unit would be the best. You can always put a TV in the bedroom.
Gdetrailer
Explorer III
Feb 12, 2022
tkeaton wrote:
The biggest thing that I like about fifth wheel is how it tows. I almost don't know it is behind me vs the wag that you get with a travel trailer. I think there are better hitches now to reduce wag.

I have never had a "wag" issue with any of my bumper pull trailers and I have never used WD or anti sway devices.. Have even had to make emergency maneuvers at high way speed to avoid deer running in front of me at night and not even one hint of movement of the trailer wanting to snap out of line.

Wag comes from insufficient tongue weight and or insufficient tow vehicle. I have neither as my tongue weight is 15%-16% and use a 3/4 ton truck to tow 18ft, 20ft and 26ft trailers.

Back to the rest of your question, most TTs most likely will feel smaller to you from being used to a 5th and not many have large "open floor plans". Your 5th floor sits above the wheels, give you a lot of open floor space to work with.

Many bumper pulls will have a lower floor height which goes in between the wheels which often means some loss of usable floor space since cabinets or couches are often used to cover the wheel wells.

As far as windows goes, the trend the last 10 yrs or so is to reduce the size and quantity of windows..

Depending on the layout, you might be able to find a rear living room with a large rear glass window which might be helpful for you..

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