Porsche as a tow vehicle? Depends on the trailer . . .

[profdant139]

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[rhagfo]

rhagfo wrote:

ISBRAM wrote:

Skibane wrote:
"the trailer was a 2019 Heartland Wilderness. The smallest of these is the M-2375BH at 28’ 9”, weighing in at 5,644 pounds with a hitch weight of 690 pounds dry. These numbers are within spec for the Cayenne depending on how the tow vehicle itself was loaded and how the trailer was loaded."

So he assumed the wrecked trailer actually was the smallest Wilderness model, took the trailer manufacturer's word about its weight, and then assumed that it wasn't loaded beyond the Porsche's rated capacity...

I agree, the GVWR of that model is 6900lbs. if it and the Porsche were both loaded it was likely over its rating. Sometimes the tail wags the dog.

I agree, and based on what we see coming into parks, we will see more of this. Starting to see a lot of small to mid sized SUVs pulling fairly long TT, that is not a good combination. The issue is length not weight.

Well this is also on another forum I am on. Based on the roof layout and lack of a rooftop refer vent I came to the conclusion it was a 2500RL with the refer in a slide. the weights are below;
Weight:

Dry Weight 6,026 lbs.
Payload Capacity 1,342 lbs.
GVWR 7,400 lbs.
Hitch Weight 688 lbs.
Length 31' 11"

[Bionic_Man]

CA Traveler wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:

CA Traveler wrote:
The consultant would determine the weights and if over would recommend denying insurance. Speaks for itself.

Absolutely false. Insurance covers accidents. Even if a law was broken. And the manufacturer tow ratings hold no legal standing.

I posted what was in the link and not about insurance coverage which was also in the link. Just curiours - Did you read the linked article?

Yes I did. The statement is false.

[CA_Traveler]

Bionic Man wrote:

CA Traveler wrote:
The consultant would determine the weights and if over would recommend denying insurance. Speaks for itself.

Absolutely false. Insurance covers accidents. Even if a law was broken. And the manufacturer tow ratings hold no legal standing.

I posted what was in the link and not about insurance coverage which was also in the link. Just curiours - Did you read the linked article?

[Lantley]

time2roll wrote:

Lantley wrote:
Certainly accidents happen with all types of vehicles all the time.
But we would not be discussing the upside Porsche on this forum if it were not towing a rather large RV.
My point is this is a RV forum, the discussion is geared towards RV's not vehicles in general.

I agree with you.
However there does not seem to be any statement from the owner or dash cam video of the situation that led to this jackknife.

Your right its all conjecture and guessing at this point.
Nevertheless that combo does not look safe/adequate/acceptable to me.
That Porsche should not be towing anything that large. I don't need to review the towing guide to see that trailer is way too much for a Cayenne. Maybe a boat or a load that was as heavy but didnot have the frontal area and sail factor woud be plausible.
But an RV trailer catches way too much air for a Cayenne

[wnjj]

From one of the comments below the article, to which the author responded that he’d talk with his friend:

Tony, with all due respect, as a licensed adjuster for over 30 years I can assure you that there’s no exclusion contained in the standard ISO personal auto policy that excludes coverage for overloading a vehicle. That’s a popular misconception I often read in online RV forums, Facebook groups, etc. First-party claims are not excluded by the policy language, and in the event that the driver causes damage to someone else, in fact that’s what the third-party liability coverage is intended to do: defend and indemnify an insured for their negligent acts or omissions, which would include negligently overloading a vehicle.

[crazyro]

Bionic Man wrote:

CA Traveler wrote:
The consultant would determine the weights and if over would recommend denying insurance. Speaks for itself.

Absolutely false. Insurance covers accidents. Even if a law was broken. And the manufacturer tow ratings hold no legal standing.

I have actually asked my insurance agent point blank (she represents many companies) and she said she has NEVER heard of insurance denying coverage/paying for a wreck due to trailer being overweight or too large/not in spec for a tow vehicle. I tend to agree with you.

[time2roll]

Lantley wrote:
Certainly accidents happen with all types of vehicles all the time.
But we would not be discussing the upside Porsche on this forum if it were not towing a rather large RV.
My point is this is a RV forum, the discussion is geared towards RV's not vehicles in general.

I agree with you.
However there does not seem to be any statement from the owner or dash cam video of the situation that led to this jackknife.

[Lantley]

time2roll wrote:

Lantley wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Of course we don't know the conditions or hazards that exited when this happened. Could have been inevitable with the Porsche or a diesel dually.

On a clear sunny day most anything may do.
It's when conditions are less than ideal that the better tow vehicles seperate themselves from the pretenders

I have seen vehicles spin out when not towing.

Certainly accidents happen with all types of vehicles all the time.
But we would not be discussing the upside Porsche on this forum if it were not towing a rather large RV.
My point is this is a RV forum, the discussion is geared towards RV's not vehicles in general.

[time2roll]

Lantley wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Of course we don't know the conditions or hazards that exited when this happened. Could have been inevitable with the Porsche or a diesel dually.

On a clear sunny day most anything may do.
It's when conditions are less than ideal that the better tow vehicles seperate themselves from the pretenders

I have seen vehicles spin out when not towing.

[Blazing_Zippers]

Come to think of it, I've seen a partridge in a pear tree, but never a Porsche towing a trailer.
Me thinks I must get out more.

[Lantley]

time2roll wrote:
Of course we don't know the conditions or hazards that exited when this happened. Could have been inevitable with the Porsche or a diesel dually.

On a clear sunny day most anything may do.
It's when conditions are less than ideal that the better tow vehicles seperate themselves from the pretenders

[Bionic_Man]

CA Traveler wrote:
The consultant would determine the weights and if over would recommend denying insurance. Speaks for itself.

Absolutely false. Insurance covers accidents. Even if a law was broken. And the manufacturer tow ratings hold no legal standing.

[Grit_dog]

time2roll wrote:
Of course we don't know the conditions or hazards that exited when this happened. Could have been inevitable with the Porsche or a diesel dually.

Where’s the fun in that though?
It “had” to be an inexperienced driver with poorly setup weight distribution way over published towing ratings with too short of vehicle that was a hazard just pulling out of the driveway doing 90mph tossing Heineken cans out the window!

[afidel]

propchef wrote:
That Cayenne tows better than any half-ton. No one mentioned that this area is known for high winds.

Speculation, it's what's for dinner.

No, no it does not. The short wheelbase and lower curb weight means it can not be a better tow vehicle than my crew cab full bed with a 153" wheelbase, that's simply physics.