Predictions for the one ton diesel HD shootout

[ib516]

So the 3/4 ton gassers have been tested and the ratings compiled and argued about. Next week, the 3500/350 series diesel portion will come out. This is not a brand loyalty test, just how you think Pickuptrucks.com will rate them. Let's see who can guess correctly.

Here's my prediction:

1. Ford
2. Ram
3. Chevy/GMC

Winner gets an all expenses paid trip to nowhere for a 5 night stay at yo mommas house resort :B

[RoyJ]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Totally agree. But why should Ford do anything but keep applying Band-Aids and upping the ratings since their loyal crowd still loves the taste of the BLUE OVAL.

Although look on the Mobile Suites Forum where when I joined in fall of 2011 at that time all you saw was F450's. Times are a changing at least for the people that really use their TV's. GM and RAM are taking over dramatically.

Not only loyal owners, but also fleet managers that's too conservative and likes to "stick with what works" despite better alternatives.

They've bought Fords for decades, so parts supply and labor training have adapted. Then factor in the discounts Ford rewards them with for being "loyal", and you end up with a fairly stable customer base that likely won't budge anytime soon.

A prime example is the 15 passenger vans. The lengthened wheelbase GM vans are safer, more powerful in every way. But yet, millions of fleet buyers choose the E350.

[Cummins12V98]

I see I had you in quote before you deleted your post.

[Cummins12V98]

mich800 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

RoyJ wrote:
What Ford really needs is a modern chassis. That ancient c-channel worked great back in 1999, when Dodge and Chevy was also relatively primitive in terms of chassis refinement and ride and handling.

Fast forward 15 years, Ram and Chevy are riding on state of the art, highly rigid fully boxed frames. In this day and age where performance is splitting hairs, it's the subtle things like the "feel" of a truck that impresses auto journalists.

Totally agree. But why should Ford do anything but keep applying Band-Aids and upping the ratings since their loyal crowd still loves the taste of the BLUE OVAL.

Although look on the Mobile Suites Forum where when I joined in fall of 2011 at that time all you saw was F450's. Times are a changing at least for the people that really use their TV's. GM and RAM are taking over dramatically.

Just curious. Do you really have disdain for those that don't choose your brand or is that just your forum persona that you have fun with? Sometimes it is hard to tell as you cannot read that into comments when you cannot actually see the speaker.

No disdain at all. I was just pointing out a few things I have noticed over the years. Ford is the one that has chosen to spend much less on their frames. I would too if It did not effect my market share.

i also point out that people that use their RV's for full timing or for their own hauling business choose GM and RAM more.

I try to be as factual as possible when I post based on written data or my personal experiences.

As far as RAM's go I owned a 98 4X4 I bought in 01 with 50K and drove it until recently and sold it to my Son at 380K. I just bought another one recently a 2wd 5sp with 313K. But I would have to say I would not buy a 3rd ten 6.7. Don't like the body style and unless someone really used their 6.7 as a truck and not grocery getter I would not want it.

I bought a 86 C20 with the 6.2 drove it well over 300K and along the way swapped in a 6.5. Along that same time my Dad bought a 98 RAM/Cummins and saw what his truck would do and I became the Cummins was the chit. I bought my 98 because of the engine and figured the truck would fall apart around the engine that was not the case. Only reason I bought my 11HO Longhorn Dually is because we wanted a larger RV. The 2011 has been trouble free for 50K so far.

I guess I rambled a bit so anyway hope you have a bit of onsite about me now.

[mich800]

test

[Cummins12V98]

RoyJ wrote:
What Ford really needs is a modern chassis. That ancient c-channel worked great back in 1999, when Dodge and Chevy was also relatively primitive in terms of chassis refinement and ride and handling.

Fast forward 15 years, Ram and Chevy are riding on state of the art, highly rigid fully boxed frames. In this day and age where performance is splitting hairs, it's the subtle things like the "feel" of a truck that impresses auto journalists.

Totally agree. But why should Ford do anything but keep applying Band-Aids and upping the ratings since their loyal crowd still loves the taste of the BLUE OVAL.

Although look on the Mobile Suites Forum where when I joined in fall of 2011 at that time all you saw was F450's. Times are a changing at least for the people that really use their TV's. GM and RAM are taking over dramatically.

[RoyJ]

What Ford really needs is a modern chassis. That ancient c-channel worked great back in 1999, when Dodge and Chevy was also relatively primitive in terms of chassis refinement and ride and handling.

Fast forward 15 years, Ram and Chevy are riding on state of the art, highly rigid fully boxed frames. In this day and age where performance is splitting hairs, it's the subtle things like the "feel" of a truck that impresses auto journalists.

[Cummins12V98]

NC Hauler wrote:
Glad to see the GMC/Chevy win..appears Ram did impress, as did Ford...each in their own ways.

So,

1.GM
2.Ram
3. Ford

per the test report....

Remove the torque limiter on the RAM and 1 and 2 would have swapped.

Nice to see GM and RAM can back up what they claim and more.

[NC_Hauler]

Glad to see the GMC/Chevy win..appears Ram did impress, as did Ford...each in their own ways.

So,

1.GM
2.Ram
3. Ford

per the test report....

[chevor]

I would love to see a battle of the 500,000 mile and above.

[ib516]

I never would have guessed that Duramax win! Good for them. 🙂

[Cummins12V98]

4x4ord wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

parkersdad wrote:
It doesn't matter to me. I will take ram over RM (recall motors) or CMADD (can't make a decent diesel any day. These tests mean nothing to me. Cummins is the only medium duty diesel in the group. Everything else is light duty. Cummins is built for pulling and that is all that matters to me.

You are correct!

Don't forget the Aisin trans is a true medium duty and not de-neutered like the Allison in the GM's.

I am not necessarily doubting your numbers but I would like to know where you get them from. I would think the three diesel pick up truck engines will outlast the trucks they are put in in 99% of the cases. Very few people actually wear out an engine regardless of whether it is a Cummins diesel or a KIA gas engine. As for the transmissions I have seen ratings suggesting the Aisin and Allison are both rated for about 850 lbft of torque. Ford rates theirs considerably higher (1400 lbft) yet they all three weigh about the same and you seldom hear of any failing transmissions in the new diesels.

I agree all the trans behind big 3 diesels are good these days.

As far as the Allison in the Light duty/HD pickups VS a medium duty application. I was told personally by Bill Kondolay of DTT a premier diesel transmission builder that the Allison is not the same as what comes in the medium duty trucks/motorhomes. I have read this other places but I can't tell you where.

[mich800]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I say:

#1. GMC

#2. Ram

#3. Ford

:B :B :B :B

No peeking allowed.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

I say:

#1. GMC

#2. Ram

#3. Ford

:B :B :B :B

[noteven]

ANOTHER OFF TOPIC ALERT!: The Allison in the Chev/GM is an Allison - it just doesn't need to be that big to handle fartin' little pickup truck torque. Allison RDS ratings

On topic:

Prediction

1. Ford - most HP at 3000 eleventeen rpm where we always use our trucks.

2. Chev/GM

3. Ram

more coffee...