small all-electric travel trailer?
Need a TT no more than 21', will always have full hookups and never use propane. Does anyone make such a thing?
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Huntindog wrote:
The 4 person Hot Tubs I am seeing online hold 210 gallons. That is 1680#
I think is correct for the one pictured. Since that pic, my sister commandeered it, and I upgraded to a fancier model that holds 240 gallons. I installed power leveling jacks directly under the middle of that room rated at 6,000 pounds, so the load of the hot-tub even with 4 users is not an issue.- With a hot tub like that who would need a fireplace....
carringb wrote:
The 4 person Hot Tubs I am seeing online hold 210 gallons. That is 1680#Huntindog wrote:
That seems like a pretty tall tale.... But then again the inflatable hot tub you use in your TT seems like an even taller tale
Well, I guess the magical propane fairies must follow me around from RV park to RV park to refill my tanks without me knowing. But I'm not sure how to explain the 4 person hot-tub that shows up anytime I park....
Sorry you guys all have trailers that can't hold heat.
Note: I do run propane heat also when it's teens or colder, because the furnace heats the basement and fire-place doesn't, and I did wake up once to no hot-water when it was 15F over night. It worked again after running the furnace for an hour. But mild-freezing nights it just isn't necessary. Oh and my trailer stays plenty warm into the negative teens, even without skirting or anything other special measures most people need.Huntindog wrote:
That seems like a pretty tall tale.... But then again the inflatable hot tub you use in your TT seems like an even taller tale
Well, I guess the magical propane fairies must follow me around from RV park to RV park to refill my tanks without me knowing. But I'm not sure how to explain the 4 person hot-tub that shows up anytime I park....
Sorry you guys all have trailers that can't hold heat.
Note: I do run propane heat also when it's teens or colder, because the furnace heats the basement and fire-place doesn't, and I did wake up once to no hot-water when it was 15F over night. It worked again after running the furnace for an hour. But mild-freezing nights it just isn't necessary. Oh and my trailer stays plenty warm into the negative teens, even without skirting or anything other special measures most people need.carringb wrote:
That seems like a pretty tall tale.... But then again the inflatable hot tub you use in your TT seems like an even taller taleGdetrailer wrote:
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Your "comfortable" is most likely not the same "comfortable" for everyone.
There is no way that one single 1200W "fireplace" heater can easily provide enough heat to keep a "home like" temperature of say even 68F anywhere near 32F or below in 400 sq ft space.
I can tell you from experience rebuilding several trailers from 20ft to 26ft (170 sq ft to 221 sq ft) the ABSOLUTE best temp one single 1200W heater was able to get those trailers to was 58F with outside temps at or below 32F. OK for working in, but certainly not "comfortable" to live in. And for the record, neither trailer had slides...
Thanks for the assumptions, but you’re wrong. I keep the trailer at 70 during the day. I do turn it down to 64 at night. Once the trailer is up to temp, the fireplace has zero trouble maintaining the temperature down into the low 20s. I do use the furnace for recovery in the morning, mostly because I like the warm floor. If I kept the fireplace temp steady overnight, the furnace wouldn’t even turn on, but I like lower temps for sleepingGdetrailer wrote:
My comments in red below..valhalla360 wrote:
rv bill-e wrote:
Need a TT no more than 21', will always have full hookups and never use propane. Does anyone make such a thing?
Propane Appliances:
- Water heater...but most have an electric heating element for when on shore power.
While you can use the electric heating element in a RV water heater, you need to realize that it is a very limited wattage (1200W (approx 5100BTU) max) and at 120V. Gas burner is a much faster heat up because of higher BTU burner (approx 30,000 BTU) Because of this it will not heat or recover very fast and you will have a very short limited shower on 120V electric only.
- Stove...if insistent upon no propane, would be easy to swap out.
Not a lot of good options for replacing the gas stove and oven when on 120V 30A shore power only, Gas stove burners are 6,500 BTU each for two burners and one single 9000 BTU burner.
Going electric only basically that amounts to a single "hotplate" limited to 1200W (5100 BTU) or perhaps 700W microwave oven with low wattage heating element (once again limited to 1200W or 5100 BTU.)
- Fridge...propane fridges have no issue running on 120v AC. Many newer models are dedicated 12v DC fridges.
Yes, fridge can operate on 120V only and should do so automatically as long as you have shore power. However, it comes at a price, uses a 325W heating element which adds to your electrical load and at this point assuming that you only have 120V 30A shore power isn't going to help your cause..
- Furnace...Probably won't find one without a propane furnace but a some air/con units have a heat strip built in. That and a space heater should handle things in a small trailer unless it gets really cold.
Propane furnace is pretty much standard issue not going to find many RVs with an all electric furnace. Some RVs may have a heatpump (reversible A/C) but those also may use a gas furnace as backup heat for times when heatpump is not able to keep up (40F and below).
A/C units with electric heat strips are also limited to one 1200W heat strip and are not effective replacement for propane furnace.
However if you are not camping/living in cold weather that can be ignored. While you can use a electric portable space heater, they are also limited to 1200W (5100 BTU) and you will find that one single electric space heater will not cut it in cold weather use. RV gas furnaces range from 16,000 BTU (for small RVs) upwards to 30,000 BTU for large RVs.
But honestly, propane is really not much of an issue. If we stay on shore power we get a month out of a 20# bottle when it's fairly cold (lows in the mid 30's), so is there some reason you are trying to avoid propane?
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If you are using propane for only the water heater and cooking on the stove a single 20 lb cylinder should last you quite a few months of camping. I can easily get 3yr-4yrs out of a 30lb cylinder because I don't camp in cold weather and rarely use furnace or even stove.
The furnace is the hardest user of propane so if you are planning to do a lot of cold weather camping this will be the issue..
Most RVs are from factory designed to have a 120V at 30A shore power connection which really limits your power usage. As long as you are setup as 120V 30A shore power this now becomes a real problem for you! 120V 30A means you only have 3600W to work with. 3600W is close to 15,300 BTUs of heat, you would need 3 portable 120V space heaters and that would fall short of even the smallest RV gas furnace!
In reality, you would be limited to pretty much only two 1200W (and that might trip your breaker) and a couple lower wattage devices running at any given time and would not have much power left over for other items.
You would have to continually manage your electrical devices all the time.. Doesn't sound like much fun to fuss with constantly turning things on and off..
To make a RV "all electric" you would really need to upgrade the electrical system to "50A" with actually is 4 wire "split phase" 240V/120V and would give you 12,000W (approx 51,000 BTUs) to work with.
Personally, unless you are having to hike in to your camping spot on foot for 20 miles I would suggest that you at least try using a 20 lb propane cylinder to run your water heater, stove and possibly limited furnace use and see how long that will last for you.
Alternately, you can have a bulk 100 lb tank brought in and have a propane distributor fill at the site and bill you later if you find you need or use a lot of propane and you are not moving your trailer..
Certainly, you are going to have to manage the power use with 30amp.
- I assume with a 20ft trailer, it's a single guy, so water heater recovery shouldn't be a big deal.
- I much prefer propane stove to electric but you can buy a small countertop model and retrofit it without great difficulty...again the 30amp will limit the output you can use.
- Fridge really isn't a big deal. Compared to the other items being discussed, it's really static in terms of demand.
- For really cold weather, yes, there is no beating a propane furnace. Heatpumps don't do well in really cold weather. But for more moderate stuff, even down to the mid 20's, in a small trailer, a space heater/heat strip will do surprisingly good job.
Basically, even using propane, you have to manage your electric usage on 30amp, so not having propane doesn't really change that and not many sub 20ft trailers will have 50amp. I assume the OP is not expecting household type living if he is dropping down to a 20ft trailer, so a little hassle is to be expected.- https://www.allencampermfg.com/up-to-29'-travel-trailers
Small rv maker who started out with truck campers till the TC market went away in the '80s ? then switched to TTs and later 5ers.
At one time they would build their OEM chassis to a customers interior needs. Check with them. Gdetrailer wrote:
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Your "comfortable" is most likely not the same "comfortable" for everyone.
There is no way that one single 1200W "fireplace" heater can easily provide enough heat to keep a "home like" temperature of say even 68F anywhere near 32F or below in 400 sq ft space.
I can tell you from experience rebuilding several trailers from 20ft to 26ft (170 sq ft to 221 sq ft) the ABSOLUTE best temp one single 1200W heater was able to get those trailers to was 58F with outside temps at or below 32F. OK for working in, but certainly not "comfortable" to live in. And for the record, neither trailer had slides...
Thanks for the assumptions, but you’re wrong. I keep the trailer at 70 during the day. I do turn it down to 64 at night. Once the trailer is up to temp, the fireplace has zero trouble maintaining the temperature down into the low 20s. I do use the furnace for recovery in the morning, mostly because I like the warm floor. If I kept the fireplace temp steady overnight, the furnace wouldn’t even turn on, but I like lower temps for sleepingMarkTwain wrote:
rv bill-e wrote:
Need a TT no more than 21', will always have full hookups and never use propane. Does anyone make such a thing?
Just curious, what is the advantage of not using propane?
Only real advantage is not have to buy propane, and uses the CGs electric power. and that is great if you aren't on a perminate site, and have to pay your own power bill.
Another not so common reason is that some folks are pretty leery of propane appliances. The never used them befor, and don't trust them.time2roll wrote:
Replace the standard air unit with a heat pump unit should work fine in most conditions.
Great idea, but use a residential heat pump !
