Ammo OK?

... and with that, I'll close the thread.

mockturtle wrote:
As I have stated, I have decided to leave gun and ammo behind. And I thank all of you for your advice and input. Hope to have an enjoyable trip through Canada and Alaska.

Have a safe and enjoyable journey!

EsoxLucius wrote:

Trackrig wrote:
Don't take hollow point ammo. One person I was talking to shipped his gun and went with just the ammo. He had a couple of boxes and it cost him something around $1 per bullet and a lot of hassle. He said they considered hollow points to be war or military related and therefore forbidden. Buy a box of ammo when you get to Alaska if you can't do with out it.

Bill

This is false. Tracer, armor-piercing, and other military-style ammunition (full metal jacket) is prohibited. Under the Geneva Convention military ammunition is full metal jacket. Hence, hollow points are not "military-style."


From Canadian Criminal Code: PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10

1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as “fléchettes” or any similar projectiles.

Maybe the laws have changed on hollow point ammo? I had to do some digging in my PMs to find the PM a person sent to me about his experience being fined. It is dated 8/11/14. We were exchanging PMs on crossing both the Mexican and Canadian boarders.

" Some years ago(1998) I crossed into Canada carrying ammo. I had left my guns with friends. Ammo in general is not illegal. Unfortunately hollow-point ammo is illegal. They confiscated the ammo and fined me $4 per round.

$4400 and 8 hours later I was on my way.

I used to go to Canada a few times a year. I haven't been back since that incident."

I'd ask a boarder guard the next time I cross, but that would probably lead to my being searched.

Bill

As I have stated, I have decided to leave gun and ammo behind. And I thank all of you for your advice and input. Hope to have an enjoyable trip through Canada and Alaska.

I used to commute back and forth from Springfield Oregon and Terrace BC in 2010. Used to by hand gun and rifle ammo at Cableas almost every trip as it is so cheap. Never once got searched or hassled. Told the border guy every time, never once did he even flinch. If I flew from Portland to Vancouver I just told the agent when I checked in and they put a differant coloe tag on the bag. When I got to Terrace I had to pick it up at the counter rather than the normal spot.

1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
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That does not include full metal jacket bullets (FMJ). In fact FMJ are required by the Geneva Conventions since they wanted to ban hollow point ammo being used in warfare. Armor piercing rounds have a hardened penetrator which is intended to pierce body armor. Usually those are steel or tungsten but can be made of other materials. The specific mention of the 5.7mm ammo is because that pistol round is designed to defeat armored vests.

If the Moderator were to close this thread now? I'd vote for that. 'Precipitous', it would not be.


Gary Haupt

Trackrig wrote:
Don't take hollow point ammo. One person I was talking to shipped his gun and went with just the ammo. He had a couple of boxes and it cost him something around $1 per bullet and a lot of hassle. He said they considered hollow points to be war or military related and therefore forbidden. Buy a box of ammo when you get to Alaska if you can't do with out it.

Bill

This is false. Tracer, armor-piercing, and other military-style ammunition (full metal jacket) is prohibited. Under the Geneva Convention military ammunition is full metal jacket. Hence, hollow points are not "military-style."


From Canadian Criminal Code: PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10

1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as “fléchettes” or any similar projectiles.

During three crossings into Canada on my Alaska trip in 2014 I was a only asked about firearms, never ammunition. I had neither. Up to 200 rounds of hunting ammunition is allowed. It is also relatively inexpensive to ship firearms to an FFL in Tok, AK. Shipping them back to a lower 48 FFL as well. UPS or US Postal Service, plus a transfer fee, usually $25, to the FFL.

Orion wrote:

PackerBacker wrote:

mockturtle wrote:
Thank you. I thought closing the thread was a bit precipitous.

Don't understand what the word 'precipitous' means in this context. :h

(of an action) done suddenly and without careful consideration.

Well I guess us old engineering folks aren't up on our words! :E