New laws and guns/ammo in California

Tom/Barb wrote:

kerrlakeRoo wrote:
To those that dislike this law, Ca residents or not, support the federal concealed carry reciprocity law being bounced around in the house. It would allow those with lawful permits in their home state to have the same privilidge in all 50 states.

you can bet that Ca, will not honor those CC permits

They chose and pick which fed laws they want to obey or inforce why would you expect them to obey a federal concealed carry reciprocity lay:(

D.E. Bishop said 'all I know is that since when we as a family started camping I have never needed a gun, not only in CA, but Detroit, New Jersey, Kansas, AK or anywhere else'. It only takes one time and Im not going to let that one time happen. I used to do radio communications for the B2V (Baker to Vegas Challange Cup Relay). We would go up Friday and camp at our assigned post. The race was Saturday and we would say over night Saturday and leave Sunday. Well Saturday night er Sunday morning around 3AM someone drive right up to the door on my camper. Two people got out started walking around so I reached for my 357 sat up in bed and pointed it at the door. Lucky for them they got in their vehicle and left, but had they pryed open the door and intered my camper I would have pulled the trigger. I dont know who they were or what they were looking for as I didnt turn on any lights and I did not make any noise other than pull the hammer back, so as carefully as you can be **** can still happen.
As far as being pulled over for a bogus reason, happen to me once. Pulled me over and said my vehicle licence was out of date which it was not and gave me a ticket for tinted windows. They had no probable cause so they make on up and thats not just in CA it happen everywhere

Dennis12 wrote:
In all states your rv is considered your residence and you can take them with you.

IANAL - NY has a law that says handguns are illegal in an airport. Even when following Federal TSA rules/guidlines, you can still be arrested. I HAS HAPPENED !

From what I read, under the new law, you can only buy ammunition from a licensed dealer, and Ca, is not issuing the new licenses required. (I hope I'm wrong)

IMHO this will only promote Black market sales, and the home reloader,

Ed_Gee
Dennis12 wrote:

In all states your rv is considered your residence and you can take them with you.

Yeah, try using that excuse if stopped in New York . They totally ignore the Federal right of passage law.

That's when they will see me in the supreme court.If enough people would push this you would see it go away.

WARNING: No sarcasm allowed. No disagreement with "certain people" allowed. "Thread shaping" in full force.

Be aware that what you read in this thread is likely a small portion of the opinions or comments posted. It's apparently a sport to some :(

Until a National Concealed Carry law is enacted, as a California citizen with a CCW it is MY responsibility to know the laws of the states I travel to. The constant bashing of California seems funny since states like Connecticut, New York, New Jersey etc. are just as crazy and restrictive. The new ammo laws as stated are for residents to keep them from buying out of state and transporting into CA. Now if you are traveling with enough ammo to make you look like a dealer you may have a problem but who's going to check? Our border stations are agricultural based and don't have gun powder sniffing dogs. (Zebra mussels if you are pulling a boat) Enough with the Ca hate. There's plenty of stupid law states to share the bashing. There's a lot I don't agree with in Ca (our state Government for one) but overall it's still great to get back home after a trip out of state.

path1 wrote:
Op here...

Sorry for all the (what ever you want to call it) as to what this post turned into.

I thought it was a simple question...

"are there any changes I should know about when transporting guns/ammo (as an indivual) through Calif"?

I was under the impression some people that live in Calif would know what was voted in.

Thanks to all that responded.

My apologies to being a participant in the prior drift. But as you can see these post usually end up like it did ... 90% of the time. Unfortunatly laws are written with too many people trying to decide what's correct and what's not. Unfortunately your at the discretion of the local law enforcement at how they "wish" to determine it. If they decide your in violation, it's up to you to prove them wrong.

Hence the reason I as others mentioned Avoiding places like this if you wish to carry your weapons. It isn't worth losing them, or being fined or jailed and costing you money to just fight it.

The new law is about the IMPORTATION of ammunition. California residents are now required to purchase their ammunition from a California certified seller. If they choose to buy from a mail order or Internet seller, they have to have it delivered to a California certified seller not to their residence.

The second part of that (so that residents cannot bypass the above) is that residents are banned from purchasing ammunition in another state and bringing it into California for use.

This does NOT pertain to non-Californian residents who are not trying to sell or give ammunition to Californian residents (if you try to sell or give, then you could be considered making an illegal sale or illegal importation of ammunition). If you are traveling through California, the laws are the same as before regarding the transport of ammunition. If you want to buy ammunition while you're here, you'll be required to follow the above Californian laws.

Would be nice if folks shared accurate information instead of political diatribes.

D.E.Bishop wrote:
I have not read this thread in it's entirety and I do not intend to, why, because I am tired of your constant bashing. I am, however, going to address some of the questions some of you have raised.

First and foremost, how many of you have been stopped by a California based LEO for no apparent reason and had your vehicle searched?

My comment on that question; I am a second generation California and I have never been stopped while driving in a safe and sane manner. I've gotten a few tickets for violations but never just because... No member of my family has either. I have never had a vehicle searched by a CA official, my DW told a federal board guard when we returned from AK that she had paid almost $2.00 for a lime in Canada. He came into our coach and asked for the lime, no search even though we admitted to breaking the law. Oh yeah, he was a FED, not CA.

Second is after being stopped for absolutely NO REASON by a CA LEO, how through a search were you subjected to?

So while it is absolutely asinine, follow CA law and separate your weapons and ammunition. You had to do that in CND if you were there with a declared firearm. No biggy.

I do not know about the validity of some interpretations of the law voiced here:h, all I know is that since when we as a family started camping:), I have never needed a gun, not only in CA, but Detroit, New Jersey, Kansas, AK or anywhere else:). I have not carried since about 1975. Would I if I could get a CCW permit here in my state, yes at times I would, but I can't:( and the DW would allow me to move to a state where I could:C but she would stay here:(. So follow the lead of millions of Californians and millions of other folks and don't drive stupid and don't brag about how big your gun is and you will not be going to jail.

I almost forgot, I was born in Hollywood in June of 1940 and Caillfornia is the only state where I have held permanent residence.

D.E.Bishop, there are reasons to bemoan this, as in the case of Shaneen Allen, a Black woman from Philly who accidentally ended up in Jersey due to a wrong turn and was then stopped for a minor traffic violation. She had a licensed handgun and in proper fashion advised the police officer that she had it. She holds a CCW permit in Pa, in part due to her job.
She eventually was pardoned by Gov. Christie, because the law which technically was broken was unintentionally breached and her actions in doing what is considered the right way to handle a LEO stop in all but a handful of overly totalitarian states is what got her in jail.
When a single state, territory, or city imposes laws which are far outside the mainstream of the nations, travellers such as us, are in danger of being in violation of those laws.
This is a case where the 2nd ammendment needs to become a national standard and law, otherwise just as your DW unwittingly breached a law concerning a lime, someone else could end up with a felony conviction over something frivilious and likely, unintentional.