Not turning in TIP?

David, you can still make me laugh!

Don't try to out think Mexican bureaucracy. First they pull you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Hacienda SAT SHCP ADUANA is SUSPICIOUS. They do not believe in deduction nor common sense. My proof of exit thermal receipt went blank over the period of a year and guess what.....the official exit did not appear in their database.

Guilty until proven innocent. It is called NAPOLEONIC LAW and Mexico is infamous for it.

When someone advises (like Moishe did) to not take chances BELIEVE IT!

Here goes a proper reply to a sea lawyer challenge...

MEXICO meaning ADUANA keeps TRACK of 180-day Temporary and 10 year temporary motor vehicle import permits by your PASSPORT NUMBER. Get a permit online. Did you stop at the SAT window and get anything stamped when entering Mexico?

When a FM-3 holder USED TO renew their FM-3, then on the spot ADUANA and INM officials USED TO check to make sure "things made sense".

Someday HACIENDA and INM will link databases. I hope I am dead by then.

Like all government departments they guard their authority! Logic does not apply!

Moisheh

I guess my question was in response to mexicowanderer saying the TIP and passport are tied together - and if they are tied the great computer would know neither the car nor the owner crossed.

Thanks, Moishe. Glad to know our day trip to Mexico wasn't in vain. And as much as I love Mexico, I don't particularly trust their internal workings. Nor do I trust the internal workings of the US government!

Brian: Normally you would be correct. But the computer showing they never entered Mexico is immigration and the TIP is issued by SAT(aduana). There is next to zero communication between the 2 departments. It is my understanding that Aduana needs the vehicle to be present at the border for A permit cancellation. They need to verify VIN #'s and actually take a picture. Otherwise you must go through the mail process to Mexico city. I hinted to one of the aduaneros that maybe he could find a way to cancel my permit without the vehicle being present. He replied: Impossible!

Moisheh

You may be right, Brian. However, we went ahead and took a "day trip" to Mexico last week. Crossed the border (easy) turned around (easy) came back through (took a LONG time) and cancelled our TIP. Fortunately, we were home by 3:00. This year's version of our trip to mexico. ;) Susie

Question - if the TIP is tied to the passport and the passport never crossed the border into Mexico because the person got the TIP online - and the vehicle never crossed the border - then they would know that neither the person nor the vehicle ever entered Mexico - so why would they have a problem? The reason for the TIP and the limit is so the vehicle is not sold and does not stay in Mexico. If it never entered Mexico and the owner never entered Mexico then the computer should show that. We did not turn in our FMM one time due to mis-communication (posted previously) and the computer knew it immediately the next time we entered Mexico. So wouldn't the computer know they did not enter Mexico?

SHCP/SAT links the permiso temporal to the individual's PASSPORT NUMBER and no other way.

Not returning the vehicle and permit within the 180 days opens up a can of worms you cannot believe, electronic bells and sirens go off in the Hacienda Aduana database system, and EVEN IF the vehicle is taken to the border later and holograms scraped off and papers surrendered and receipts taken (did I mention the horrendous fine?), folks have told me tales of woe in which hours-long delays were imposed (prohibiting passing into Mexico) while the tramites were researched in D.F. BY HAND to verify the infraccion had been cleared up. I am one of the unlucky ones. But now being a citizen I am not allowed to 180 day or 10 year permit a motor vehicle not even one with Frontera plates (Michoacan is not a Frontera state).

moisheh wrote:
Tequila: First of all that is "sneaky" posting a link to your commercial web site. No web site that is not an official Mexican Aduana site is guaranteed to be 100 % factual. Mexico Mike is often incorrect. Heck even using information from an official website is not always correct! Depending on the situation that letter from the RCMP may not work. I went through hell cancelling my 10 year permit. I was able to call Mexico city and they insisted on paperwork that I did not have. But another forum member gave me some additional information and I was able to cancel the permit. My process started in Mexico in February and finally while I was in Canada this summer it was cancelled. Cost me a small fortune in DHL fees. I have some phone numbers that may help. From the USA or Canada call 1-877-448-8728. When prompted enter 7-2-2-1-1. The connections are very poor and I was never able to get anyone who spoke English. They are in one of those concrete rooms that sounds like talking in a barrel with lots of background noise From Mexico the number is 01-800-463-6728. But even with my often bad Spanish I was able to understand their requirements. Bottom line is that if you can go to the border do so! Sending paperwork to Aduana is risky. My first package could not be delivered. The office had moved and the person whose name was on the official Mexican website was now working elsewhere. The officials would not accept the package. I was lucky as Estafeta was the courier. The driver called me from Mexico City explaining what happened and he sent it all back to Hermosillo. I resent it and while in Canada they actually called me asking for further information. Much easier to just go to the border. I might also add that Turtle Toad's sticky has the best information available. No need to send people to some other website!

Moisheh

I do nto have a commercial website That site is associated with a Mexican Tour company, represented by my neighbour, and is up to date as they processs permits for many people each year, have government connections, and are fluent in Spanish, so can contact officials directly. They helped somebody do the process last year when they canceled out on a tour and did not cross. Regardless it worked, and the guy in question got a piece of documentation back canceling the permit. No rebate, but the company reimbursed him the $200. I believe he used DHL. The only hassle he had was getting the RCMP to provide a letter. That cost him $50.

I have always found Mexico Mike to be a good source of information. As you say things change all the time, but companies bringing RVers in are usually the best source of up to date info. They have to be.