5th wheel TH wreck yesterday Phoenix

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blofgren wrote:

otrfun wrote:

Me Again wrote:

blofgren wrote:
That truck looks like a 2002, but it is definitely not newer than a 2004 because the 2005-2007 model Superduties had a different grille and headlights. In the era of this particular truck the F-250 had a GVWR of 8,800 lbs and the F-350 9,900 lbs. Given it's a crew cab 4x4 diesel, it likely weighs minimum of 7,500 lbs with only the hitch in it. My 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 SB diesel weighed 6,900 lbs empty leaving a whopping 1,900 lbs for passengers, cargo, hitch, and pin weight.

Did overloading cause this accident? Who knows. Was this truck overloaded towing that toyhauler? Quite likely yes.

All fine info, however the failure to wear his seat belt got him killed as I posted in the first post of this thread. Chris

Granted, non-use of seatbelts was a contributing factor in this gentleman's death. However, tires, trailer size, truck capacity, and heck, even the placement and design of the concrete median divider, are all potentially part of the underlying cause and effect.

As obvious as it may seem, it's important to remember something has to go terribly wrong before you need a seatbelt in the first place. If we ignore this basic cause and effect then we do ourselves a disservice by never learning (or entertaining) the whole truth.

Thank you; it is refreshing to see that someone else actually gets it!

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otrfun wrote:

Me Again wrote:

blofgren wrote:
That truck looks like a 2002, but it is definitely not newer than a 2004 because the 2005-2007 model Superduties had a different grille and headlights. In the era of this particular truck the F-250 had a GVWR of 8,800 lbs and the F-350 9,900 lbs. Given it's a crew cab 4x4 diesel, it likely weighs minimum of 7,500 lbs with only the hitch in it. My 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 SB diesel weighed 6,900 lbs empty leaving a whopping 1,900 lbs for passengers, cargo, hitch, and pin weight.

Did overloading cause this accident? Who knows. Was this truck overloaded towing that toyhauler? Quite likely yes.

All fine info, however the failure to wear his seat belt got him killed as I posted in the first post of this thread. Chris

Granted, non-use of seatbelts was a contributing factor in this gentleman's death. However, tires, trailer size, truck capacity, and heck, even the placement and design of the concrete median divider, are all potentially part of the underlying cause and effect.

As obvious as it may seem, it's important to remember something has to go terribly wrong before you need a seatbelt in the first place. If we ignore this basic cause and effect then we do ourselves a disservice by never learning (or entertaining) the whole truth.

Thank you; it is refreshing to see that someone else actually gets it!

Me Again wrote:

blofgren wrote:
That truck looks like a 2002, but it is definitely not newer than a 2004 because the 2005-2007 model Superduties had a different grille and headlights. In the era of this particular truck the F-250 had a GVWR of 8,800 lbs and the F-350 9,900 lbs. Given it's a crew cab 4x4 diesel, it likely weighs minimum of 7,500 lbs with only the hitch in it. My 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 SB diesel weighed 6,900 lbs empty leaving a whopping 1,900 lbs for passengers, cargo, hitch, and pin weight.

Did overloading cause this accident? Who knows. Was this truck overloaded towing that toyhauler? Quite likely yes.

All fine info, however the failure to wear his seat belt got him killed as I posted in the first post of this thread. Chris

Granted, non-use of seatbelts was a contributing factor in this gentleman's death. However, tires, trailer size, truck capacity, and heck, even the placement and design of the concrete median divider, are all potentially part of the underlying cause and effect.

As obvious as it may seem, it's important to remember something has to go terribly wrong before you need a seatbelt in the first place. If we ignore this basic cause and effect then we do ourselves a disservice by never learning (or entertaining) the whole truth.

Me Again wrote:

blofgren wrote:
That truck looks like a 2002, but it is definitely not newer than a 2004 because the 2005-2007 model Superduties had a different grille and headlights. In the era of this particular truck the F-250 had a GVWR of 8,800 lbs and the F-350 9,900 lbs. Given it's a crew cab 4x4 diesel, it likely weighs minimum of 7,500 lbs with only the hitch in it. My 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 SB diesel weighed 6,900 lbs empty leaving a whopping 1,900 lbs for passengers, cargo, hitch, and pin weight.

Did overloading cause this accident? Who knows. Was this truck overloaded towing that toyhauler? Quite likely yes.

All fine info, however the failure to wear his seat belt got him killed as I posted in the first post of this thread. Chris

Yup ! There has been a couple on this thread that have missed the point here : " SEAT BELTS.

I don't give a **** about what truck he had, or fifth wheel for that matter. Unbelievable this thread turned into a weight or truck issue.

blofgren wrote:
That truck looks like a 2002, but it is definitely not newer than a 2004 because the 2005-2007 model Superduties had a different grille and headlights. In the era of this particular truck the F-250 had a GVWR of 8,800 lbs and the F-350 9,900 lbs. Given it's a crew cab 4x4 diesel, it likely weighs minimum of 7,500 lbs with only the hitch in it. My 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 SB diesel weighed 6,900 lbs empty leaving a whopping 1,900 lbs for passengers, cargo, hitch, and pin weight.

Did overloading cause this accident? Who knows. Was this truck overloaded towing that toyhauler? Quite likely yes.

All fine info, however the failure to wear his seat belt got him killed as I posted in the first post of this thread. Chris

That truck looks like a 2002, but it is definitely not newer than a 2004 because the 2005-2007 model Superduties had a different grille and headlights. In the era of this particular truck the F-250 had a GVWR of 8,800 lbs and the F-350 9,900 lbs. Given it's a crew cab 4x4 diesel, it likely weighs minimum of 7,500 lbs with only the hitch in it. My 1996 F-250 S/C 4x4 SB diesel weighed 6,900 lbs empty leaving a whopping 1,900 lbs for passengers, cargo, hitch, and pin weight.

Did overloading cause this accident? Who knows. Was this truck overloaded towing that toyhauler? Quite likely yes.

The toy hauler in the news article looked like an older one. There were some pre-2010 triple axle toy haulers with 5/6-bolt, 5k axles. These older rigs had a similar GVWR to double axle TH's with 8-bolt, 7k axles currently being sold.

Bottom line, it's possible this driver could have been towing an older triple axle TH with a GVWR approx. 6-7k less than the typical triple axle TH with 8-bolt, 7k axles we see a lot on the road these days.

That is not what my conclusion was and it's taken out of context.... you can't tell me for one minute that you dont see these overloaded rigs going down the road all the time.... it's only one factor that you can physically see... there are many hidden issues.I Will let the NTSB and police do their job and they will come up with a conclusion that's what they're paid to do... they are the final say not me and I never intended to be the judge and jury.

I have a 3500 SRW RAM and would not dare to pull such a large toy hauler with it. Sorry for the family. Sorry for those who don't get it.