Gas VS Diesel F250

Donnoh wrote:
These debates are entertaining to say the least. As someone who is trying to decide on a new truck, I find myself going back and forth between a gas and diesel truck.

I can afford either one, but I'm basically cheap, but I also like nice stuff, etc. etc. So I really don't know which way to go. I will probably buy a loaded out gas engine model or a lesser diesel. I sure like leather seats though.

I have a 2015 F250 Diesel. I get between 21-23 mpg on the freeway. I average about 17 in mixed 50% freeway/50% city driving. I don't have enough time on it to tell you about pulling the 5er. My friend has a 2013 F250 Diesel and gets between 10 and 11 mpg pulling his 15,000lb 5er.

No issues pulling on the the freeway with it, no issue on hills, plenty of braking (tow haul and engine brake are included). Get the offroad package for the extra suspension features it provides.

The diesel engine should last 300,000 miles. Comes with 5 yr/100,000 mile warranty on the engine/drive train. My experience with towing is it is hard on gas engines. You will pay more up front but it will cost you less in the end to have a diesel.

I am a happy camper with this truck.

Did someone say gas trucks don't sell ? I don't think it is about how many they sell but I do think it is about ...Right tool for the job.

Keep in mind most large companies the vehicles are bought buy bean counters. We could have any color we wanted as long as it was white.

colliehauler wrote:
I worked for a large company that had a fleet of 40 trucks, out of that number 4 were diesel that had cranes on them. The company never owned the trucks they were leased.

Personally I tow with a Diesel but own a gas truck as well.

If gas trucks did not sell they would not offer them.

So the statement (they all own them here) is simply not completely true.

Thanks for your clarification. Our local Ford dealership up here in the "cold north" has 12 new Super Duties in stock and not one of them are diesels. They inventory what sells.

I worked for a large company that had a fleet of 40 trucks, out of that number 6 were diesel that had cranes on them. The company never owned the trucks they were leased.

Personally I tow with a Diesel but own a gas truck as well.

If gas trucks did not sell they would not offer them.

So the statement (they all own them here) is simply not completely true.
The contractors on the other hand almost always owned Diesels.

Water-Bug wrote:

brooks379 wrote:

shepstone wrote:
Wait till you get to pay out for , belt tensioners, turbo oil lines, fuel filters, the water pump on my 7.3 literally grenade'd and took a bunch of other stuff with it and scarred up the rad that was over 2g's. Over the 5 years I had it it cost me over well over 5 thousand in just the engine related repairs without the tows or maintenance costs, or the downtime for my business, there is a lot of money lost when you got 5 guys on the jobsite being held up and having to shut down, even for only a day, but you still gotta pay them. These are not even major repairs when it comes to a diesel no matter what brand. Sure it can happen with a gasser to but not nearly as much cost and downtime. My 6.0 Savvana has been in the shop twice in 4 yrs one for ball joint @$400 and one for corrosion on a connector under the fuse panel@$200 no engine related issues at all and no shut downs. Almost no const companys own diesels around here I know cause I work with most of them and neither do the utilities. & if you think that a diesel in Ontario gets better value when you sell it then think again cause rust is a great equalizer and it doesn't care what engine is in the truck

No Construction company's or Utility company's own diesel pickups.....must be a Canada thing. They ALL own them here !!

It IS a Canada thing. Diesel fuel gels below zero and utility companies cannot plug in block heaters, when out on a job.

lol These new diesel trucks start up in any weather. I just went through the coldest winter I can remember, we were in PA, and western NY. At times the temp was -20 and the diesel would start as fast as any gas motor made. As far as fuel gelling up....8 0z of anti gel fuel additive....

You can all ways tell when people talk about some thing but know nothing about what they are saying. Todays diesel trucks are fuel efficient, quiet, dependable, fast starting in freezing cold temps. POWERFUL, long lasting, weight hauling legal, great resale value, etc. I really think some people are stuck in the old days when diesels would blow black smoke, were loud and you could smell them when they would shift gears and blow that black smoke. Wake up boys, times have changed !!

brooks379 wrote:

shepstone wrote:
Wait till you get to pay out for , belt tensioners, turbo oil lines, fuel filters, the water pump on my 7.3 literally grenade'd and took a bunch of other stuff with it and scarred up the rad that was over 2g's. Over the 5 years I had it it cost me over well over 5 thousand in just the engine related repairs without the tows or maintenance costs, or the downtime for my business, there is a lot of money lost when you got 5 guys on the jobsite being held up and having to shut down, even for only a day, but you still gotta pay them. These are not even major repairs when it comes to a diesel no matter what brand. Sure it can happen with a gasser to but not nearly as much cost and downtime. My 6.0 Savvana has been in the shop twice in 4 yrs one for ball joint @$400 and one for corrosion on a connector under the fuse panel@$200 no engine related issues at all and no shut downs. Almost no const companys own diesels around here I know cause I work with most of them and neither do the utilities. & if you think that a diesel in Ontario gets better value when you sell it then think again cause rust is a great equalizer and it doesn't care what engine is in the truck

No Construction company's or Utility company's own diesel pickups.....must be a Canada thing. They ALL own them here !!

It IS a Canada thing. Diesel fuel gels below zero and utility companies cannot plug in block heaters, when out on a job.

shepstone wrote:
Wait till you get to pay out for , belt tensioners, turbo oil lines, fuel filters, the water pump on my 7.3 literally grenade'd and took a bunch of other stuff with it and scarred up the rad that was over 2g's. Over the 5 years I had it it cost me over well over 5 thousand in just the engine related repairs without the tows or maintenance costs, or the downtime for my business, there is a lot of money lost when you got 5 guys on the jobsite being held up and having to shut down, even for only a day, but you still gotta pay them. These are not even major repairs when it comes to a diesel no matter what brand. Sure it can happen with a gasser to but not nearly as much cost and downtime. My 6.0 Savvana has been in the shop twice in 4 yrs one for ball joint @$400 and one for corrosion on a connector under the fuse panel@$200 no engine related issues at all and no shut downs. Almost no const companys own diesels around here I know cause I work with most of them and neither do the utilities. & if you think that a diesel in Ontario gets better value when you sell it then think again cause rust is a great equalizer and it doesn't care what engine is in the truck

No Construction company's or Utility company's own diesel pickups.....must be a Canada thing. They ALL own them here !!

Donnoh wrote:
These debates are entertaining to say the least. As someone who is trying to decide on a new truck, I find myself going back and forth between a gas and diesel truck.

I can afford either one, but I'm basically cheap, but I also like nice stuff, etc. etc. So I really don't know which way to go. I will probably buy a loaded out gas engine model or a lesser diesel. I sure like leather seats though.

Be careful! Leather seats can get hot and sticky, if you are sitting on the side of the road in 100 degree heat with no A/C.

rhagfo wrote:

spud1957 wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

spud1957 wrote:
Seems a lot of talk about the gasser's "redline" needed to go up some steep grades. The 6.2's redline in 6000. Way above HP and torque. Absolutely no reason to go that high.

In another thread there is picture posted by a strong diesel proponent of his dash showing pulling a grade at 60mph. What the picture also shows MPG at about 4 AND 3000 rpms which is 500 rpms below his redline. So, a diesel roaring up a hill just below his redline is OK and isn't as loud as a gasser?

Maybe the fact that he is climbing a 6% grade running 29,000# GCW and still able to go 60 should be why diesel owners smile.

I believe that he was showing 2.800 rpm, which is about 80% of red line. If a 6,000 rpm red line gaser it could only turn 4,800 rpm and with trying to 29,000# would not likely happen at 60 mph.

My point is not a 6.2 pulling GCWR of 29,000lbs. That's ludicrous. The diesel is pulling a 6% grade at less than his rated GCWR and he is at 80% of his redline. If I had a GCWR of 29K, I too would have a diesel.

I am almost at 90% of my GCWR and I too can pull a 6% grade at 60 MPH and do it at 4000 RPMs or 66% of my redline.

So for diesel owners mocking gassers that they have to pull 6% grades at redline is not completely accurate and also a bit hypocritical.

Well 80% is not red Line it is 80%, I know that I have far less HP than you and a 5er with a higher GVWR, and to at about 19,000# to 19,500# GCVW which is better than 95% of GVWR, and still can pull 6% grades at 55 to 60. I usually don't go over 2,300 rpm, as I have a 3.55 rear gear.

My truck idles at near 25% of red line!! 850 and 3,200, so 80% isn't really out of the question.

66% is not redline either. It's 66%.

Russ, you confirmed my point. Whether you have a diesel or gas, pulling grades near redline isn't out of the question.