US 5th Wheel Complance in Australia

jerem0621 wrote:
Well said Dayle1, since you gave facts you will probably be told that you don’t understand the culture or other such nonsense.

Well he does not and got it totally wrong.

Towing capacity is 3.5 tonnes 7,700lb with a standard tow ball and grows to 6.9 tonnes 15200lb when equipped with a pintle load hook. Payload is 913kg on the 2500 while the 3500 can haul up to 1713kg and a gross combined mass of 11,479kg,25,300lbhelped with factory-integrated trailer braking control and engine exhaust braking.Jun 4, 2018

Nowhere near the US " Standard" As I said if you tried too pull the US suggested weights , it would be illegal here.. I have being trying to stress, this " standard" has subjective values. US Heavy Truck manufacturers do not use it, they are inline with manufacturers outside the US
I got the specs from Ram Trucks Australia, they only import the 6.7 diesel. Weights are in Kilograms

The Australian Design Rules (ADRs) are national standards for vehicle safety, anti-theft and emissions. The ADRs are generallyperformance based and cover issues such as occupant protection, structures, lighting, noise, engine exhaust emissions, brakingand a range of miscellaneous items.

Nothing about towing, Safety, anti theft and admissions !Occupant protection! performance based in that sense. You have to test:R

Well said Dayle1, since you gave facts you will probably be told that you don’t understand the culture or other such nonsense.

Robert,

First you used the TFL results of the Ike Gauntlet to say the performance of US trucks towing 30k lbs was unacceptable based on the following statements.

“On the TFL website they were towing 30,000lb trailers up a 7 % Gradient and they were crawling. Minium speed was very slow indeed. Too suggest this is an acceptable speed maybe it is in the US but not here.”

“Rated to tow 30,000lb , yes if you want snails passing you.”

“Duallies towing 30,00lbs are banned here”

Then you implied those results would fail the ADR standard that was more stringent.

“It is not a subjective test. It is an ADR standard. Those speeds would not be cut the mustard”

“That is why the US standard is rejected outright here and anywhere else outside the US.”

But after several requests, you have not provided an actual link to your claims. But you say the ADR is not test based but static equations.

“Australian Design Rule standard is not a prediction of performance as the US “standard “.
Their is no performance test. Europeans and Japanese have similar standards, they are static equations. No subjective testing anywhere. You still have a subjective slant on this, , you keep talking about road conditions it is not a pass or fail, or anything to do with road conditions. Road conditions, temp of the road , seasons of the year become subjective aspects. Not acceptable in a standard”

So, here is what the ADR says (red highlights added):

The Australian Design Rules (ADRs) are national standards for vehicle safety, anti-theft and emissions. The ADRs are generallyperformance based and cover issues such as occupant protection, structures, lighting, noise, engine exhaust emissions, brakingand a range of miscellaneous items.


There is nothing about towing speed, minimum or maximum in the ADR. The only speed reference in the entire ADR is ADR 65 which covers speed limiters for heavy commercial vehicles.

ADR 65—Maximum Road Speed Limiting for Heavy Goods Vehicles and Heavy Omnibuses


Finally, vehicle certification depends on physical testing as stated below. But again, no reference in minimum towing performance.

The certification system for new vehicles is a type approval, wherein a vehicle design representing a make-model (the “type” of vehicle) undergoes tests to demonstrate compliance with the safety and emissions standard. If the vehicle complies then all others of the same design, or type, will also comply.

The Department does not test vehicles for certification purposes. The manufacturer is responsible for ensuring compliance with the ADRs. The Australian certification process allows the vehicle manufacturer (“the licensee”) to conduct the various ADR tests. The tests may be conducted in a place convenient to the manufacturer provided they are performed correctly.

Australian Design Rule standard is not a prediction of performance as the US “standard “.
Their is no performance test. Europeans and Japanese have similar standards, they are static equations. No subjective testing anywhere. You still have a subjective slant on this, , you keep talking about road conditions it is not a pass or fail, or anything to do with road conditions. Road conditions, temp of the road , seasons of the year become subjective aspects. Not acceptable in a standard

RobertRyan wrote:

Dayle1 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:


It is not a subjective test. It is an ADR standard. Those speeds would not be cut the mustard

So why post about the results of a subjective test done on a US highway? Got a link to your ADR standard? Or maybe you want to pick an 8 mile stretch of Australian highway and say THAT represents ALL of the countries roads? What elevation, grade, speed limit, number of lanes, curves, etc. Maybe that section is even on Google Maps.

My point is why would you consider the results of a subjective test on an 8 mile section of road as representative of the entire countries roads? Or what those test results imply about performance in general?

Subjective values do not a standard make A mile or kilometre does not become longer because it is hotter. That is why the US standard is rejected outright here and anywhere else outside the US.
Standard and subjective values should not be in the same sentence.
A foot is a foot a mile is a mile.a kilometre
Is a kilometre. How a vehicle tows on a certain day depends on many factors.which rarely can be repeated after that
" US Standard" is an indicator too buyers how a vehicle might perform.

Excellent, you have just discredited your own statements and position. Apparently the “ADR standard” is fictitious and/or has no pass/fail criteria. Again, maybe you have a link to it? But, any pass/fail criteria for that "standard" would be invalid to apply to the results of a test done on totally different road conditions that do not exist in Australia. And it is also invalid to use the results of a single 8 mile test to represent typical performance across all the roads of any individual continent. The Ike Gauntlet is not a US standard so there is nothing to be rejected.

Slownsy wrote:
Robert I am not sure what you are referring to that I said about a jab.
I can think of at least one god resen they were knocked back with a American FW the 40’ wood have more than the allowed 3.6m rear overhang. And hear most don’t want duallies because they don’t do well of the tar, I resently saw someone selling a FW that had the axles moved back and airbrakes but can’t remember length or weight.
Frank.

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Thanks Frank

Robert I am not sure what you are referring to that I said about a jab.
I can think of at least one god resen they were knocked back with a American FW the 40’ wood have more than the allowed 3.6m rear overhang. And hear most don’t want duallies because they don’t do well of the tar, I resently saw someone selling a FW that had the axles moved back and airbrakes but can’t remember length or weight.
Frank.

Dayle1 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:


It is not a subjective test. It is an ADR standard. Those speeds would not be cut the mustard

So why post about the results of a subjective test done on a US highway? Got a link to your ADR standard? Or maybe you want to pick an 8 mile stretch of Australian highway and say THAT represents ALL of the countries roads? What elevation, grade, speed limit, number of lanes, curves, etc. Maybe that section is even on Google Maps.

My point is why would you consider the results of a subjective test on an 8 mile section of road as representative of the entire countries roads? Or what those test results imply about performance in general?

Subjective values do not a standard make A mile or kilometre does not become longer because it is hotter. That is why the US standard is rejected outright here and anywhere else outside the US.
Standard and subjective values should not be in the same sentence.
A foot is a foot a mile is a mile.a kilometre
Is a kilometre. How a vehicle tows on a certain day depends on many factors.which rarely can be repeated after that
" US Standard" is an indicator too buyers how a vehicle might perform.

RobertRyan wrote:


It is not a subjective test. It is an ADR standard. Those speeds would not be cut the mustard

So why post about the results of a subjective test done on a US highway? Got a link to your ADR standard? Or maybe you want to pick an 8 mile stretch of Australian highway and say THAT represents ALL of the countries roads? What elevation, grade, speed limit, number of lanes, curves, etc. Maybe that section is even on Google Maps.

My point is why would you consider the results of a subjective test on an 8 mile section of road as representative of the entire countries roads? Or what those test results imply about performance in general?