Beware of Arizona Saguaro Cactus

OutdoorPhotographer wrote:

prstlk wrote:
I have a CCW permit as well, last time I checked it was 34 state good but that changes from time to time. When a cop pulls my tag they know I have the permit. We went to Canada for a car event a few back, when at the border I was asked "how many guns do you own". I was surprised told him several and he asked me to tell him. After I gave him the overview he asked "if I search your car will I find any guns or ammo" I have to admit by now Im getting irritated, but it's their country. I responded by saying "I fully understand the laws for your country and never would attempt to bring a firearm in"
I was asked to go sit on bench while they took my car a part. All luggage out, floor mats jockey box contents ashtray hood up etc. They were confused a bit that had no spare (mini cooper)
They finally let me go with everything but a cavity search.
When we returned home I asked the owner of the range I use (he's a deputy with lifetime of service both civilian and military)
He explained that my permit will come up on most any system by tag number or drivers license. He said he could not be sure but chances were a camera read the tag and the rcmp new I had the CCW before the car even stopped.
I hope they spend as much time on a bunch of guys with beards and turbans driving Toyota pick ups.

I don't want to be contrary at a border but the answer to how many firearms do I own is "I have no firearms in my possession." They have a right to know what I am bringing into their country but how is what I own at home their business? I would seek to de-escelate but asking how many guns I own vice in my possession is like doctors now being able to ask how many guns I own.

No problem, Outdoor Photographer...but like prstlk above, expect to sit on a bench for awhile whilst they check out your vehicle.

I, too am authorized to carry which, when asked, reply in the affirmative politely. Contrary to popular belief, you can legally bring a firearm into Canada, you simply have to follow their rules.

It really doesn't bother me when a LEO is asking the question. A thug is another issue. I wasn't there, but by prstlk's own admission "I have to admit by now I'm getting irritated", my guess is that attitude is what allowed him to take his little 'time out' on the bench...just sayin....Dennis

Welcome to the 21st Century.....:W.

I guess I'll have to pull the tin foil hat lower on my face......Dennis

prstlk wrote:
I have a CCW permit as well, last time I checked it was 34 state good but that changes from time to time. When a cop pulls my tag they know I have the permit. We went to Canada for a car event a few back, when at the border I was asked "how many guns do you own". I was surprised told him several and he asked me to tell him. After I gave him the overview he asked "if I search your car will I find any guns or ammo" I have to admit by now Im getting irritated, but it's their country. I responded by saying "I fully understand the laws for your country and never would attempt to bring a firearm in"
I was asked to go sit on bench while they took my car a part. All luggage out, floor mats jockey box contents ashtray hood up etc. They were confused a bit that had no spare (mini cooper)
They finally let me go with everything but a cavity search.
When we returned home I asked the owner of the range I use (he's a deputy with lifetime of service both civilian and military)
He explained that my permit will come up on most any system by tag number or drivers license. He said he could not be sure but chances were a camera read the tag and the rcmp new I had the CCW before the car even stopped.
I hope they spend as much time on a bunch of guys with beards and turbans driving Toyota pick ups.

I don't want to be contrary at a border but the answer to how many firearms do I own is "I have no firearms in my possession." They have a right to know what I am bringing into their country but how is what I own at home their business? I would seek to de-escelate but asking how many guns I own vice in my possession is like doctors now being able to ask how many guns I own.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/what-facial-recognition-technology-means-for-privacy-and-civil-liberties

From that:

Current Facial Recognition Pilot Participants

In February 2012, the state of Michigan successfully completed an end-to-end Facial Recognition Pilot transaction and is currently submitting facial recognition searches to CJIS. MOUs have also been executed with Hawaii and Maryland, and South Carolina, Ohio, and New Mexico are engaged in the MOU review process for Facial Recognition Pilot participation. Kansas, Arizona, Tennessee, Nebraska, and Missouri are also interested in Facial Recognition Pilot participation.

2oldman wrote:
If it's used to take photos of license plates, fine. I don't understand why people get so riled up about this stuff, unless you're a car thief or you have a body in the trunk.

I would not mind it if they were looking for someone doing something wrong, but there is more to it. There are Companies out there that pay for the equipment and install it at no charge to Cities, Counties, and States, for not only roadside cameras, but equipping law enforcement vehicles, and other Government vehicles with the cameras.
The Companies then get the license plate number, and location the plate was recorded at as vehicles pass by, or the vehicle with a camera passes them parked. Law Enforcement gets to read the plates and see if they are stolen, or wanted in connection with a crime.
Why do the companies do this for free? The Companies generally have a contract with your State DMV for the information on the plate, your information, the DMV sells it to them. The Company with the data then sells what they collect to marketing folks, or anyone else who is willing to pay.
That is why I do not like them, and I should be able to opt out, just like I do anything else.

Executive wrote:
JetA, I have a tin foil hat I keep for just such instances...it messes with their stats as the tin foil blocks out my ethniticity.

Maybe the paparazzi could hide out as cacti....:W:W....Dennis

You'll need more than your tin hat, as it won't stop facial recognition software from identifying you.

All this stuff starts out so reasonable sounding, till the next thing you know the King has started to tax tea.

At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention, a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.” Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.”

LongWeekends wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Archie Kravitz wrote:

Yes, but IF you're an Arizona resident with Montana plates on your rig, the tax man can come a callin..........Dennis

How would they know you live in Arizona by scanning a Montana license plate.?? Am I missing something??

Montana plate comes back registered to an LLC===RED FLAG
LLC comes back to AZ resident=====RED FLAG

AZ Treasurer sends Registration Bill with Penalties PlUS Interest to AZ Residents AZ Address

So you are mad because you got caught??? Good grief! Look...you drive around every day, all day with your plates out for everyone to see. Who cares if a pic is taken and some due diligence is done? I am no fan of big brother but in this case it is just big brother being efficient. This reminds me of the guys that list a car for sale and then blur the license plate....never mind they park that same car in from of their house every day with the plate in full view. *rolls eyes*

Who's mad....or why do you think any of us is mad.
Dennis isn't mad...........just made a comment
Archie isn't mad,,,,,,,,,,,just asked a question for clarification
I'm not mad................just answered Archie's question


WHY are you mad?

And I would blur license plate of vehicle I'm advertising for sale.........my neighbors know who I am and don't pay attention to my plates but scammers/thieves perusing ads don't need anymore info then what I provide. AND my home address/phone number or plate info ISN"T info provided in my ad. That way they don't have a clue who I am or where I live----they can only make contact via advertisement venue

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Archie Kravitz wrote:

Yes, but IF you're an Arizona resident with Montana plates on your rig, the tax man can come a callin..........Dennis

How would they know you live in Arizona by scanning a Montana license plate.?? Am I missing something??

Montana plate comes back registered to an LLC===RED FLAG
LLC comes back to AZ resident=====RED FLAG

AZ Treasurer sends Registration Bill with Penalties PlUS Interest to AZ Residents AZ Address

So you are mad because you got caught??? Good grief! Look...you drive around every day, all day with your plates out for everyone to see. Who cares if a pic is taken and some due diligence is done? I am no fan of big brother but in this case it is just big brother being efficient. This reminds me of the guys that list a car for sale and then blur the license plate....never mind they park that same car in from of their house every day with the plate in full view. *rolls eyes*

prstlk wrote:
I have a CCW permit as well, last time I checked it was 34 state good but that changes from time to time. When a cop pulls my tag they know I have the permit. We went to Canada for a car event a few back, when at the border I was asked "how many guns do you own". I was surprised told him several and he asked me to tell him. After I gave him the overview he asked "if I search your car will I find any guns or ammo" I have to admit by now Im getting irritated, but it's their country. I responded by saying "I fully understand the laws for your country and never would attempt to bring a firearm in"
I was asked to go sit on bench while they took my car a part. All luggage out, floor mats jockey box contents ashtray hood up etc. They were confused a bit that had no spare (mini cooper)
They finally let me go with everything but a cavity search.
When we returned home I asked the owner of the range I use (he's a deputy with lifetime of service both civilian and military)
He explained that my permit will come up on most any system by tag number or drivers license. He said he could not be sure but chances were a camera read the tag and the rcmp new I had the CCW before the car even stopped.
I hope they spend as much time on a bunch of guys with beards and turbans driving Toyota pick ups.

They can't as that would be 'profiling'. They don't have CCWs so no probable cause to stop/question/search.

I also had a CCW (don't need one now cause I live in AZ) and police in USA knew about CCW before I could pull over and turn truck off.
But I always beat them to the punch......."Hello officer, I have a CCW and am packing---loaded. Would you like for me to get it?"
"Oh by the way.....SHE is carrying also!"