Is this the start of Workhorse again? Isuzu?

harold1946,

No, actually, he was helping to make my point because Ford got better BECAUSE Workhorse was in the game. Had it only been "Ford" during the 2000's who knows if they would've done anything to improve their engine, transmission, suspension, etc. on the F-53. Workhorse had them beat in those areas in the mid-2000's and Ford responded. Beating the competition is what keeps these improvements coming. No competition, then little incentive to change.

I can't take a side on the Ford/Workhorse debate. Ford is my favorite "American" car company, I was never fond of GM. But, when I was buying our motorhome, I felt Workhorse offered the better chassis.

But come to think of it...popcorn does sound like a good treat right now! LOL :)

~Rick

timmac wrote:

Rick Jay wrote:

timmac wrote:
But was not the Ford chassis about $5000 less than the Workhorse chassis, I wonder want the price difference will be now.

When I bought mine, the W-22 was exactly $2,214 more than the Ford chassis on my build sheet from Georgie Boy. (That was back in 2004.) Wifey liked the lower doghouse on the Workhorse. I liked the Allison transmission. So, in my mind, I spent $2,213 to keep wifey happy (a relative bargain) and I got an Allison transmission for a dollar!!! LOL (An even bigger bargain. Gosh, I hope she doesn't read this. :) )

Anyway, it'll be nice to have competition again. The Ford chassis got better in the early 2000's because of the improvements Workhorse was making to their chassis. When you're the champ, it's easy to rest on your laurels unless some new contender is nipping at your heels. :) Workhorse back in the market should be a win-win for everyone.

~Rick

Ford even got better in 2006 with the 3 valve V-10 with more HP and TQ than the 8.1 and almost matched the Allison with the 5 speed Tow Haul trans, now Ford is putting the 6 speed Tow Haul in for 2016 with more chassis improvements, Fleetwood even redesigned the dog house so its a little smaller and better for 2016, Workhorse is going to have to work hard to keep up.

My biggest complaint with Workhorse was the Auto-Park Brake, Ford kept it simple with manual control, less to break down and cause headaches..

Keep it simple and stupid is how I like it best.. :C

Here we go. My daddy can beat up your daddy.
Time to get out the popcorn since no one knows for sure what the exact engine engine specs are. :S
Wait till Workhorse makes their announcement and we will all know. :B

Rick Jay wrote:

timmac wrote:
But was not the Ford chassis about $5000 less than the Workhorse chassis, I wonder want the price difference will be now.

When I bought mine, the W-22 was exactly $2,214 more than the Ford chassis on my build sheet from Georgie Boy. (That was back in 2004.) Wifey liked the lower doghouse on the Workhorse. I liked the Allison transmission. So, in my mind, I spent $2,213 to keep wifey happy (a relative bargain) and I got an Allison transmission for a dollar!!! LOL (An even bigger bargain. Gosh, I hope she doesn't read this. :) )

Anyway, it'll be nice to have competition again. The Ford chassis got better in the early 2000's because of the improvements Workhorse was making to their chassis. When you're the champ, it's easy to rest on your laurels unless some new contender is nipping at your heels. :) Workhorse back in the market should be a win-win for everyone.

~Rick

Ford even got better in 2006 with the 3 valve V-10 with more HP and TQ than the 8.1 and almost matched the Allison with the 5 speed Tow Haul trans, now Ford is putting the 6 speed Tow Haul in for 2016 with more chassis improvements, Fleetwood even redesigned the dog house so its a little smaller and better for 2016, Workhorse is going to have to work hard to keep up.

My biggest complaint with Workhorse was the Auto-Park Brake, Ford kept it simple with manual control, less to break down and cause headaches..

Keep it simple and stupid is how I like it best.. :C

timmac wrote:
But was not the Ford chassis about $5000 less than the Workhorse chassis, I wonder want the price difference will be now.

When I bought mine, the W-22 was exactly $2,214 more than the Ford chassis on my build sheet from Georgie Boy. (That was back in 2004.) Wifey liked the lower doghouse on the Workhorse. I liked the Allison transmission. So, in my mind, I spent $2,213 to keep wifey happy (a relative bargain) and I got an Allison transmission for a dollar!!! LOL (An even bigger bargain. Gosh, I hope she doesn't read this. :) )

Anyway, it'll be nice to have competition again. The Ford chassis got better in the early 2000's because of the improvements Workhorse was making to their chassis. When you're the champ, it's easy to rest on your laurels unless some new contender is nipping at your heels. :) Workhorse back in the market should be a win-win for everyone.

~Rick

Hank MI wrote:


So it only costs a few grand to get the V10 to perform like it should.

But was not the Ford chassis about $5000 less than the Workhorse chassis, I wonder want the price difference will be now..

timmac wrote:

1492 wrote:
Looks like the current gas version of PSI 8.8L is rated for around 550 Lb-ft torque max.






PSI brochure indicates that the block is capable up to 1,000 Lb-ft.

The Ford 3 valve V-10 with the Banks Power Pack and Five Star tuning can achieve about the same Torque Lbs and more HP than the stock 8.8

And I bet there is no after market HP improvements for that 8.8 motor..

FORD RULES AGAIN.. :B

So it only costs a few grand to get the V10 to perform like it should.

1492 wrote:
Looks like the current gas version of PSI 8.8L is rated for around 550 Lb-ft torque max.






PSI brochure indicates that the block is capable up to 1,000 Lb-ft.

The Ford 3 valve V-10 with the Banks Power Pack and Five Star tuning can achieve about the same Torque Lbs and more HP than the stock 8.8

And I bet there is no after market HP improvements for that 8.8 motor..

FORD RULES AGAIN.. :B

J-Rooster wrote:

moisheh wrote:
GM And Isuzu have been cross branding the N series for many years. But something must have happened to that agreement as Isuzu now markets the trucks themselves and GM does not sell them. We have 2 in our small fleet. One is an Isuzu NPR and the other is a Chevrolet 4500. They are twins!

Moisheh

Thanks for the info Moisheh! Workhorse is clearly not involved in this project!

GM and Isuzu have NO part in the Workhorse name or family today.

About Workhorse Group Inc.
Previously a division of Navistar, the Workhorse brand along with the Workhorse Union City, IN assembly plant, and network of over 400 dealerships was sold to Workhorse Group Inc. (OTQBB: WKHS) in 2013.

According to the "internet", current duramax engines are built by DMAX, ltd in Moraine Ohio. Dmax was and is a joint venture between GM and Isuzu. The engine is an Isuzu design, with tuning and packaging by GM.

moisheh wrote:
GM And Isuzu have been cross branding the N series for many years. But something must have happened to that agreement as Isuzu now markets the trucks themselves and GM does not sell them. We have 2 in our small fleet. One is an Isuzu NPR and the other is a Chevrolet 4500. They are twins!

Moisheh

Thanks for the info Moisheh! Workhorse is clearly not involved in this project!