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ncrowley
Explorer II
Jul 26, 2014

Power Wahser to Clean Rear Radiator

I would like to clean my rear radiator more often but I have been told (by two different repair shops) that I need heated water or steam and at least 2000 psi. You spray straight on so the fins do not bend. I was told I needed that to get through the radiator clear to the back. I looked and I cannot find a way to access the back of the radiator. I have a Cat C7 350 hp. The problem is the power washers that heat the water cost a LOT of money - over $2K. However, it gets expensive to take it in to be cleaned. Are there any other choices?
  • ncrowley wrote:
    I have asked two Cat dealers about extending the slobber tube and they both had never done it and did not recommend it. Yes, I have read the threads about doing that but I want to be sure it is done correctly. Yes, I know that the way the slobber tube is now, it is blowing gung onto the radiator which is why I would like to do this more than once per year. This last trip, we went up and down a very steep mountain and blew gunk all over the toad and the back of the coach so I am sure the radiator got hit as well.


    Sorry, you have not talked with knowledgeable people. Freightliner even has a kit for extending the crankcase breather.

    Would LOVE to hear their reasoning for not extending it. BTW, for about $12 worth of parts YOU can extend it. Let me know if you need the parts list and instructions.
  • Colo Native wrote:
    I have been told by a mechanic NEVER use a pressure washer only a garden hose with nozzle you can trash the fins and possibly cause a leak.


    +1

    You have to be very careful with a pressure washer.
  • I have been told by a mechanic NEVER use a pressure washer only a garden hose with nozzle you can trash the fins and possibly cause a leak.
  • I have asked two Cat dealers about extending the slobber tube and they both had never done it and did not recommend it. Yes, I have read the threads about doing that but I want to be sure it is done correctly. Yes, I know that the way the slobber tube is now, it is blowing gung onto the radiator which is why I would like to do this more than once per year. This last trip, we went up and down a very steep mountain and blew gunk all over the toad and the back of the coach so I am sure the radiator got hit as well.

    Talking to the mechanics, it takes a lot to get through the radiator and the CAC to clean off the gunk. They have steam cleaners at high pressure to do the job.
  • ncrowley,
    Let's put it this way. First of all, has your radiator EVER been cleaned and or, the "CAC" or, Charge Air Cooler, that sits in front of it? The blow-by tube or, "Slobber tube" as it's also known as, can make a mess out of both of them. That oily mist does coat both of them and then, your fan acts like a giant vacuum cleaner and sucks up all the dust particles it can and deposits them onto the CAC and Radiator fins.

    And yes, a couple more things here. One, if your blow-by tube has not been extended either by a CAT service center or, by a person such as yourself, it needs to be done so that the oil-mist has way less of a chance to get deposited on there again, especially after a good cleaning. Two, yes, on many of the DP units that use CAT engines, it's incredibly difficult to gain access for a good, quality, thorough cleaning. Some, have actually cut an access hole in the top part of the shroud as large as they can, and make the part they cut out, a door. Then, they use some sort of sprayer and spay as much of the CAC and the Radiator as they can with the correct Simple Green or, 409 or, whatever chemical they choose, into as many of the fins as they have access to.

    Then, they use a garden hose with a nozzle or tip to assist in blowing anything that's loosened, out the front side of both.

    Our coach is an '04 Itasca Horizon 36GD with the C-7 330HP CAT and, long story short, it had a radiator leak. I watched it for quite a while 'cause I knew it was going to be a serious chore to remove, repair and replace it. But, in getting ready for a trip one time, I did a good inspection inside the bed area. What I found was amazing. Over 40% of both the CAC and the Radiator were incredibly clogged up due to that slobber tube.

    So, I pulled them both. Now, here's the deal. I used some ZEP, citrus based industrial degreaser on that radiator, while it was laying on some saw horses. I also have a 2650 psi pressure washer. I'd apply a full, wet coat of that cleaner on those fins and, it wouldn't even drip through them. I then started using a pressure washer at quite a distance, all the while keeping a close eye on the fins to see if there was any damage happening.

    As I got closer and closer, there still appeared to be no damage to any of the fins. I finally put three coats of that ZEP on it and, each time would pressure wash it. After the third application, I started to see it blow through the other side of the fins. And, that was a serious ton of black goo. There was no way on this planet that I could have done that while those two components were still in the coach.

    Other guys say they've had good luck cleaning them in the coach but, I knew doing it that way, would have never worked 'cause I would have not gotten as close to the fins of both the CAC and the radiator as I did when they were out.

    So, my point, the fins on those radiators are quite strong. Does that mean you shouldn't take precautions while attempting to use a pressure washer, NO. It simply means that I did it, and, it worked, and I did absolutely no damage to those fins, from approximately two inches away from the fins. And, that includes doing the CAC, which is ALUMINUM, in the same manor.

    Pulling that radiator and CAC was a chore, to say the least but, it not only allowed for really good cleaning of them but, it also allowed for up close and thorough inspection, maintenance and repair of any of the forward bearings of that CAT. That was the serpentine belt tensioner and idler pulleys. And, the water pump tensioner and idler pulleys. I did not do the fan bearing 'cause I could not break the Allen head bolts loose. Next time.
    Scott
  • I have been having the radiator cleaned once per year and it was pretty dirty each time it was cleaned. Unfortunately, there are no Hotsey dealers near me.
  • 2000 psi seams high can bend a lot of radiator fins causing more problems then dirty radiator.
  • In our area we can rent hot water pressure cleaners. Look for a Hotsey dealer in your area and ask them who rents one. Most shops prefer to use hot pressure cleaners because it's faster - they don't have to wait for a cleaning solution to work on the dirt and they don't have to do it several times. Also cheaper for the customer that way. However, other than beer, your time is free.

    How often do you clean the radiator and you do have a slobber tube installed? I have a C7, 350 that I've only cleaned once. It stays cool on the steepest hill I could find in western Canada, Teton Pass and up to the Eisenhower Tunnel.

    Hotsey

    Bill