Windows 8 or 7. Which would you choose?

Getting too deep for me.

strollin wrote:

GoPackGo wrote:
Because Win 8 is optimized for a touch screen environment but the PC manufacturers have used Win 8 on non-touch screen computers, such as my HP ! ...

I see this posted on this and other forums all the time but I disagree that the Win 8 interface is "optimized" for touch and challenge anyone making this statement to tell me what is easier or "optimized" while using Win 8 with touch. I have used Win 8/8.1 on systems with mouse/keyboard and systems that were touch only and while the Win 8 touch interface is usable on a touch only device (in my case a tablet) it is far from optimized and I find pretty much everything easier to do on my Win 8 systems using a mouse/keyboard then on my tablet that is touch only.

I'd say that the Win 8 was designed to be used either with mouse/keyboard or touch (or both combined) but there's no way it is optimized for touch.

I have to agree with Strollin. FYI, my wife who is anti technology but being a nurse is nowhere near technology stupid sat down at my 8.1 desktop for the first time today. I really expected to hear her call my name to find something. When she was done she tracked me down in the office and said "I don't understand what all the complaints about Windows 8 is all about". Granted she did not really dig into it but she used the internet, jumped over to Outlook and reviewed a Powerpoint I was working on.

paulcardoza wrote:
Seriously...... I want the name of the doctor who is writing your prescriptions! :p

burlmart wrote:
There is reality, and there is virtual reality (VR). To the extent that we understand the nature of the universe, which has come a long way since the Indo-Aryans started mythologizing around campfires some 3500 years back, we understand what virtual reality holds in store. So before anyone says they know where our electromagnetic technology is going, we should be humbly reminded that we still appear clueless as to the nature of gravity. (Dark energy/matter mumbo jumbo makes it clear that Einstein was wrong, and Tesla and Whitehead are closer with their notions of aether and wave-field, respectively.)

The point about The Many and The One, and Apple and Microsoft, which are two distinct corporate entities engaged in the enterprise of fabricating VR, was that Apple historically focused on bringing the many things of human enterprise into the feel-good grasp of the individual; whereas, MS, like IBM, sought to bring the many individuals into conformity of practice. So Apple's stuff appeals to the artful non-conformists at heart, while Microsoft's appeal has been to traditionalists focused on efficiency within group projects.

So if you had to associate one company with just one type of mobile device, Apple consumers dig tablets and MS folks like to produce w/ PCs. But Appies need to type documents, and Winnies consume app content, and then ipad is little different from a Surface RT.

tmi?

just doing prep exercises towards becoming a conspiracy theorist:)

Seriously...... I want the name of the doctor who is writing your prescriptions! :p

burlmart wrote:
There is reality, and there is virtual reality (VR). To the extent that we understand the nature of the universe, which has come a long way since the Indo-Aryans started mythologizing around campfires some 3500 years back, we understand what virtual reality holds in store. So before anyone says they know where our electromagnetic technology is going, we should be humbly reminded that we still appear clueless as to the nature of gravity. (Dark energy/matter mumbo jumbo makes it clear that Einstein was wrong, and Tesla and Whitehead are closer with their notions of aether and wave-field, respectively.)

The point about The Many and The One, and Apple and Microsoft, which are two distinct corporate entities engaged in the enterprise of fabricating VR, was that Apple historically focused on bringing the many things of human enterprise into the feel-good grasp of the individual; whereas, MS, like IBM, sought to bring the many individuals into conformity of practice. So Apple's stuff appeals to the artful non-conformists at heart, while Microsoft's appeal has been to traditionalists focused on efficiency within group projects.

So if you had to associate one company with just one type of mobile device, Apple consumers dig tablets and MS folks like to produce w/ PCs. But Appies need to type documents, and Winnies consume app content, and then ipad is little different from a Surface RT.

GoPackGo wrote:
Because Win 8 is optimized for a touch screen environment but the PC manufacturers have used Win 8 on non-touch screen computers, such as my HP ! ...

I see this posted on this and other forums all the time but I disagree that the Win 8 interface is "optimized" for touch and challenge anyone making this statement to tell me what is easier or "optimized" while using Win 8 with touch. I have used Win 8/8.1 on systems with mouse/keyboard and systems that were touch only and while the Win 8 touch interface is usable on a touch only device (in my case a tablet) it is far from optimized and I find pretty much everything easier to do on my Win 8 systems using a mouse/keyboard then on my tablet that is touch only.

I'd say that the Win 8 was designed to be used either with mouse/keyboard or touch (or both combined) but there's no way it is optimized for touch.

There is reality, and there is virtual reality (VR). To the extent that we understand the nature of the universe, which has come a long way since the Indo-Aryans started mythologizing around campfires some 3500 years back, we understand what virtual reality holds in store. So before anyone says they know where our electromagnetic technology is going, we should be humbly reminded that we still appear clueless as to the nature of gravity. (Dark energy/matter mumbo jumbo makes it clear that Einstein was wrong, and Tesla and Whitehead are closer with their notions of aether and wave-field, respectively.)

The point about The Many and The One, and Apple and Microsoft, which are two distinct corporate entities engaged in the enterprise of fabricating VR, was that Apple historically focused on bringing the many things of human enterprise into the feel-good grasp of the individual; whereas, MS, like IBM, sought to bring the many individuals into conformity of practice. So Apple's stuff appeals to the artful non-conformists at heart, while Microsoft's appeal has been to traditionalists focused on efficiency within group projects.

So if you had to associate one company with just one type of mobile device, Apple consumers dig tablets and MS folks like to produce w/ PCs. But Appies need to type documents, and Winnies consume app content, and then ipad is little different from a Surface RT.

burlmart wrote:

realter wrote:
I just started reading these 7 pages. The way I understand it, Windows 8 is touch screen? The Apple ipad is also touch screen. If this is the case, why do so many people love the Apple, but hate the Windows 8 touch pad screen. Please don't jump all over my ignorance. Thanks.

My best shot at your question is that the future of mobile and even enterprise technology is like a fumbled football that no one can seem to recover.



Apl starts from the individual's cultural preferences and builds upon these as they come to include enterrise, while MS starts from a general overview of group enterprise that must also ultimately satisfy the individual user.

Philosophers call this problem 'the many and the one'.

Me oh my. Can you translate this into laymans terms? Thanks!

I have no interest in a touchscreen desktop or even a laptop. I do not wish to reach across my office desk to touch the screen. Not to mention the screen needs to be cleaned constantly. Touchscreens are fine for tablets or tablet PC's but they are not suitable for desktops or many laptops.

Windows 8 is horrible. The Metro screen serves no practical purpose for me and uses system resources that are better used elsewhere. I've also found numerous older programs that fail under Windows 8 but work fine under 7 although some require XP. Microsoft is does not feel compatibility is important. New gizmos and bling are.

realter wrote:
I just started reading these 7 pages. The way I understand it, Windows 8 is touch screen? The Apple ipad is also touch screen. If this is the case, why do so many people love the Apple, but hate the Windows 8 touch pad screen. Please don't jump all over my ignorance. Thanks.

My best shot at your question is that the future of mobile and even enterprise technology is like a fumbled football that no one can seem to recover.

Your point is well taken about Apl and Win being in the same 'touch camp'.

Apl starts from the individual's cultural preferences and builds upon these as they come to include enterrise, while MS starts from a general overview of group enterprise that must also ultimately satisfy the individual user.

Philosophers call this problem 'the many and the one'.

Because Win 8 is optimized for a touch screen environment but the PC manufacturers have used Win 8 on non-touch screen computers, such as my HP !

I assume it's because MS will no longer sell Win 7 to the PC manufacturers. Doesn't matter. The end result is not good.