6 people killed in Texas campsite attack

I firmly believe individuals have the ultimate right, and requirement, to protect ourselves, and our families. One can try to make an argument that it is a remote chance of happening, but Im thinking this family might have thought the same thing.

Im not saying go around in a super-paranoid manner, but be prepared. I am prepared, and I hope I never have to use it. BUT, if in a situation where I have to, I would rather have it and try to defend myself, than not have it and accept whatever happens.

Few years back there was a couple in Tennessee that were accosted by three or four guys. The girl was raped multiple times, and her boyfriend was made to watch. The killers then poured clorox down her throat, while she was still alive, to get rid of the DNA. Then they raped him, and killed him. Had he been armed, maybe it would have been different, maybe not. BUT, that story reinforced for me that I want to at least have a chance.

These nut jobs may not be as few and far between as we'd like.

Mike

And to equate military preparedness to what can be expected for civilian preparedness is ridiculous. To expect everyone to be prepared to kill anyone they meet is asinine.

Found this interesting, from US crime statistics, in 1960, homicide rate was 5.1 per 100,000. In 2014 it was 4.5 per 100,000. Population has gone from 178 million to 318 million. So while the number of murders has gone up as our population has increased, the percent has gone down, a little bit.

So apparently the good old days were not quite as safe as we would like to remember. I include myself in that way of thinking.

And with the internet, stories that would have stayed local, now are spread all over, so may magnify how we look at this kind of thing. Before it still happened, we just never heard about it, is my guess

winnietrey wrote:
Found this interesting, from US crime statistics, in 1960, homicide rate was 5.1 per 100,000. In 2014 it was 4.5 per 100,000. Population has gone from 178 million to 318 million. So while the number of murders has gone up as our population has increased, the percent has gone down, a little bit.

So apparently the good old days were not quite as safe as we would like to remember. I include myself in that way of thinking.

And with the internet, stories that would have stayed local, now are spread all over, so may magnify how we look at this kind of thing. Before it still happened, we just never heard about it, is my guess

I have said that before. People just naturally wax nostalgic on their childhood or different period. That fact is the more things change the more they stay the same. If anything the 24 hour news cycle just draws attention to these events making it seem like the world is ending.

bikendan wrote:
I've seen this incident posted on a number of forums.

What bugs me is the OPs post in incorrectly as occurring in a campground, as if to panic all us that use campgrounds.

They all failed to read the news correctly, that it happened at at private residence, NOT a public or private campground.:M

I wish people would read stuff like this thoroughly, before starting a post about it.

I agree with your thought... But...the OP used the exact wording of the FOX News headline. Blame FOX.

pasusan wrote:

bikendan wrote:
I've seen this incident posted on a number of forums.

What bugs me is the OPs post in incorrectly as occurring in a campground, as if to panic all us that use campgrounds.

They all failed to read the news correctly, that it happened at at private residence, NOT a public or private campground.:M

I wish people would read stuff like this thoroughly, before starting a post about it.

I agree with your thought... But...the OP used the exact wording of the FOX News headline. Blame FOX.

Who said campground. I read campsite. Are we really that sensitive that we feel this is an indictment of camping?

mich800 wrote:

winnietrey wrote:
Found this interesting, from US crime statistics, in 1960, homicide rate was 5.1 per 100,000. In 2014 it was 4.5 per 100,000. Population has gone from 178 million to 318 million. So while the number of murders has gone up as our population has increased, the percent has gone down, a little bit.

So apparently the good old days were not quite as safe as we would like to remember. I include myself in that way of thinking.



And with the internet, stories that would have stayed local, now are spread all over, so may magnify how we look at this kind of thing. Before it still happened, we just never heard about it, is my guess

I have said that before. People just naturally wax nostalgic on their childhood or different period. That fact is the more things change the more they stay the same. If anything the 24 hour news cycle just draws attention to these events making it seem like the world is ending.

Guess a lot of it depends on where you grew up. Reckon that would have anything to do with it? I do, and where I grew up allows ME to "wax nostalgic" about how safe it was in and around the area I personally lived and grew up in...thats all that mattered to me as a kid, and actual memories I have.

winnietrey wrote:
Found this interesting, from US crime statistics, in 1960, homicide rate was 5.1 per 100,000. In 2014 it was 4.5 per 100,000. Population has gone from 178 million to 318 million. So while the number of murders has gone up as our population has increased, the percent has gone down, a little bit.

So apparently the good old days were not quite as safe as we would like to remember. I include myself in that way of thinking.

And with the internet, stories that would have stayed local, now are spread all over, so may magnify how we look at this kind of thing. Before it still happened, we just never heard about it, is my guess

Thanks for doing that research. I thought the actual homicide rate had gone down as well, but I didn't look it up. When most of us were kids we wouldn't have been on the Internet talking about a mass killing at a campsite in another state. It would have made the local newspaper, for sure. The local radio would have mentioned it, and maybe the national news on TV would have carried it.

So the average person's opportunity to hear it about it would basically be the 6:00 and 10:0 news, and even then it would have been a very short segment. Even if it caught your attention, you may have talked about it among your neighbors or people at work.

Now, of course, it'll be on Yahoo! within minutes. My wife came in yesterday from work and told me about it. She'd heard about it from a different source. It certainly makes it seem like we live in a more violent world, but it's not necessarily the case.

BLISS - One big difference is INFORMATION. As in TOO MUCH of it.

Most of the information we are barraged with is not pertinent to our day to day lives and we have no power over dealing with it.

THIS is what has lead to the fear and huge sense of powerlessness that is the 21 century....just saying.



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cmcdar wrote:
BLISS - One big difference is INFORMATION. As in TOO MUCH of it.

Most of the information we ar baraged with is not pertinant to our day to to day lives and we have no power over dealing with it.

THIS is what has lead to the fear and huge sense of powerlessness that is the 21 centrury....just saying.

I agree.

I've posted this before.
A few years ago I read a report where violent crime in America was down %10 yet crime reporting was up %600. You may live in the most peaceful town in your state but your nightly news is full of crime and fear mongering.
I blame the media for all the paranoia.