Self defense while traveling

wing_zealot wrote:
NYCgrrl, I don't understand your issue. It was long ago settled by the Supreme Court. If you don't like it, change the Constitution. You don't get to pick and choose everyone else's "rights" just because you don't like it.

I don't like same sex marriage. Supreme court ruled on that also. I lost. So be it.

We all have the right to keep and bear arms. You lost this argument long ago. Like I said, if you don't like it, change it. (Good Luck with That).

I'm not sure what your point/issue is either so we are equal; I've never advocated gun abolishment on this thread:h.

As for changing the Constitution...it's a fluid and living document. . The Dred Scott decision was decided in the mid 1800's by the Supreme Court; it was overturned in the 1870's by the legislature. The 18th Amendment only lasted for about 14 years. Got to love a system of checks and balances.

Walaby wrote:
"For the first time in history does a nation have complete gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead in the future." - Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935, in address to the Reichstag

Yep and that's what the U.S. Government told the Indians, give us your guns and we will protect you. Sure thing then proceeded to round them up and put them on a reservation, and gave them lard, sugar, and flower. They didn't have a clue what to do with it because they were gather hunters and many of them starved to death. And that's what Hitler told the Jew and Gypsies and then proceeded to take them to concentration camps as they had no way to defend themselves

NYCgrrl, I don't understand your issue. It was long ago settled by the Supreme Court. If you don't like it, change the Constitution. You don't get to pick and choose everyone else's "rights" just because you don't like it.

I don't like same sex marriage. Supreme court ruled on that also. I lost. So be it.

We all have the right to keep and bear arms. You lost this argument long ago. Like I said, if you don't like it, change it. (Good Luck with That).

Diane Feinstein said all veterans are mentally unstable. Harry Reed said your a racist if your against Obama Care. Hillary Clinton said your a terrorist if you believe in the 2nd amendment. That just about describes me.

My agenda is simply to retain our rights.. all of them.. regardless of whether or not I personally feel I need them or not. That's what I served the military for.

I fully believe that I will never have the need to use my gun in self defense. But, I will dang sure be ready just in case.

Walaby wrote:
It really just amazes me how some people are so willing to give up their rights without even paying any mind to the long term implications. The thought that just because it's a right they don't want to exercise, or feel the need for, that somehow it will be "all ok" because it doesn't affect them. Newsflash people, every erosion of your rights affect you, even if you don't exercise those rights.

How outraged would you be if the government came down tomorrow and said that you are no longer free to speak out against government policies regarding anything? Or we will no longer allow the press to report on governmental activities? All of a sudden those of you who didn't give a rip about your right to keep and bear arms will be outraged. But, it won't matter, because you will have given away your ability to stand up to a tyrannical government. And for those of you who think "our government won't do that" better think twice about that. The world is full of examples of government crackdowns on their population, under dubious circumstances or justification.

NYCgrrl.. if you find the gun ownership stats frightening, you should find even more frightening, the high murder rate and gun violence rates in places like Chicago, that have a ban or oppressive restrictions on guns. But, I suspect those stats won't interest you, as they don't serve your agenda.

Mike

Agendas? We ALL have agendas so let's not be disingenuous. Your agenda is to rationalise why you feel firearms are necessary for your personal and daily protection. My agenda is to travel this country from stern to stem in peace comfortable with the award winning sharpshooting 'Nam era Army cook by my side who hasn't picked up a firearm since, LOL. Guns for hunting, contests..that I get. Guns to setup a paramilitary force superseding the military and LEOs? Nope, not interested. I pay enough in taxes for NYPD. And the millions in lawsuits when they have oops moments. And the mental anguish of knowing some mother/husband/wife/children has lost a loved one to an error.

Bear and wasp spray (learned something good from this thread), the ability to know my surroundings, has served me well to date and hopefully for all times until I die.

As for stats, goodness knows there are lots of them like the one that says you are more likely to die violently by the hand of a loved one than a stranger. No need for me to pass that knowledge on to MY loved ones;).

Sport45 wrote:
It seems many here would be scared spitless if they knew how many around them were legally armed.

Does not scare me at all. Makes feel more secure. I know what is required to obtain a CCW. I would trust an armed law abiding citizen over a predator any day. I would also prefer to be in the company of armed law abiding citizens when something bad starts to happen, than have a police officer 20 minutes away.

OK, so we are a nation of guns, plus all the rest of our freedoms. Is it really a problem? There's nothing we can do about the guns,...IMO. So, let's go try to solve some real problems, one or two anyway.
Regarding guns in our motorhome, I suggest doing the research on gun laws in everything state that you plan to visit.

It really just amazes me how some people are so willing to give up their rights without even paying any mind to the long term implications. The thought that just because it's a right they don't want to exercise, or feel the need for, that somehow it will be "all ok" because it doesn't affect them. Newsflash people, every erosion of your rights affect you, even if you don't exercise those rights.

How outraged would you be if the government came down tomorrow and said that you are no longer free to speak out against government policies regarding anything? Or we will no longer allow the press to report on governmental activities? All of a sudden those of you who didn't give a rip about your right to keep and bear arms will be outraged. But, it won't matter, because you will have given away your ability to stand up to a tyrannical government. And for those of you who think "our government won't do that" better think twice about that. The world is full of examples of government crackdowns on their population, under dubious circumstances or justification.

NYCgrrl.. if you find the gun ownership stats frightening, you should find even more frightening, the high murder rate and gun violence rates in places like Chicago, that have a ban or oppressive restrictions on guns. But, I suspect those stats won't interest you, as they don't serve your agenda.

Mike

As always extremely divided opinions on this. Police officer for over 20 years. I'm of the view that it's better to be prepared than not.

There are such strong reactions against carrying a gun and I personally just don't understand and probably never will. Of course I'm talking about responsible carry. Anyway, thought I'd throw out my opinion as a Texas Peace Officer.

Four of us travel together. Four of us are police officers. Always have at least 4 weapons. And no one would ever know unless we wanted them to know.

Just be mindful out there. Bad things really do happen.

Ya'll have a good day.