Why assume I like your music

The main need for "responsibility" has, since the beginning of time, been to be able to survive.

In the modern Western World (the U.S. in particular) the basics of living have become to easy to get due to various conditions - including relatively easy to come by public assistance or parental assistance or otherwise private assistance, that - "why be concerned with learning or practicing responsibility because it's no longer needed for survival". A sad but true condition of a modern society that is becoming "fat and lazy" is that the beginning of a long slide downward may have begun that unfortunately might require some sort of national or regional upheaval or catastrophe to correct. Correction of this probably cannot happen using only a one-on-one personal approach ... possible but not likely.

What it boils down to is this: How are parents going to teach responsibility when really, the kids see no reason for it other than maybe to attain wealth through descipline that must arise from a focused pattern of personal responsibility ... and the attainment of wealth in the long run cannot be the long term driver for happiness and peace for a large number of people in an ever growing population.

Back to my first sentence ... the best permanent and long term incentive for being responsible is to have to be in order to survive.

When the elites avoid responsibility it's difficult to preach personal responsibility to the masses.

toedtoes wrote:

lakeside013104 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

CavemanCharlie wrote:


I'm not sure that is the problem, though it may be part of it. Another part is the way things have changed all around. My girlfriends kids gave there son a spanking. When the local Child Protective Service officer heard about it she came storming over to their house and said if they did it again they would lose there kids and end up in jail. So, they don't discipline the kid at all anymore and he runs wild.

Oh, and the local Child Protective Services Officer doesn't have custody of her own kids. She lost them because she was not a good enough parent. :h

Seems like an excuse not to discipline the kids. There are lots of other options for discipline besides spanking but they take more effort. They were told not to spank the kids so they just don't do anything. Seems to me it's not the authorities that have the problem there.

Greetings Toes,

I believe you have hit the root of the reason there are so many problems with young adults. Light spanking is a parenting technique not often applied this day and age.

My bad. "Time out for me".

Lakeside

It's not about the spanking and it's not about the young generation. It's about accepting responsibility for one's actions. It's about sometimes having to do the difficult thing because it's better than doing the easy thing.

You are correct, to a degree. Accepting responsibility is the difficult thing to do.

Try educating an irresponsible belligerent adult and let me know how that works for you.

The only sure way to get a better next generation of adults is to start educating the concept of "taking responsibility" for one's actions at an early and impressionable youthful age. Our youth are like sponges, they absorb most everything. Including both good and less than good actions / lessons presented to them.

Build a house on a less than solid foundation you have a mess in the future. Today we certainly have a mess with regards to adults taking responsibility for their actions.

We as responsible adults, must take the task of teaching to our youths what taking responsibility for your actions and doing the 'right' thing even if it IS more difficult, really means.

I have tried to teach my children a very simple concept; Right and Wrong. If you would NOT do or say something in front of your parent, wife, husband, significant other, don't say or do it behind their back. You know what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'. Do the 'right' thing, even if is the harder thing to do. Treat others as you wish to be treated.

Best of all the world has to offer.

Lakeside

KillerIsMe wrote:
Wow. Lots of salty folks on this thread. Loud kids, loud music, loud cars, loud generators...problem is those drug-addled boomers, no the problem is parents who don't spank their kids, no the problem is rap music, no the problem is people who don't clean up after their pets, and on and on. Guess the best thing to do is get to the campground, stake out my lawn, and keep everyone the hell off it.

That's probably one of the main reasons why some folks like to boondock camp - to get away from all that. It can't be done much in the East, but out West it still can be an alternative way to do it ... thankfully. :C

12 pages of reasons to not drive by a campground, much less stay at 1.

DiskDoctr wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
Try doing the harder response - be civil, treat the other person with respect whether they deserve it or not, compromise, etc.

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

I picked out the gems and reposted them. We can all use more of this :C

Agreed..........

Lakeside

toedtoes wrote:
Try doing the harder response - be civil, treat the other person with respect whether they deserve it or not, compromise, etc.

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

I picked out the gems and reposted them. We can all use more of this :C

wing_zealot wrote:

irishtom29 wrote:
This started with the drug addled Baby Boomers, the first people to side with their kids rather than the teachers when their kids screwed up at school. Though maybe the kids were acting up trying to get back for being named Todd, Caitlin, Tiffany and Shawn.

Them drug addled Baby Boomers are your kids - guess you must of not taught them how to be good parents.

I'm a Boomer, Bubba.

lakeside013104 wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

CavemanCharlie wrote:


I'm not sure that is the problem, though it may be part of it. Another part is the way things have changed all around. My girlfriends kids gave there son a spanking. When the local Child Protective Service officer heard about it she came storming over to their house and said if they did it again they would lose there kids and end up in jail. So, they don't discipline the kid at all anymore and he runs wild.

Oh, and the local Child Protective Services Officer doesn't have custody of her own kids. She lost them because she was not a good enough parent. :h

Seems like an excuse not to discipline the kids. There are lots of other options for discipline besides spanking but they take more effort. They were told not to spank the kids so they just don't do anything. Seems to me it's not the authorities that have the problem there.

Greetings Toes,

I believe you have hit the root of the reason there are so many problems with young adults. Light spanking is a parenting technique not often applied this day and age.

My bad. "Time out for me".

Lakeside

It's not about the spanking and it's not about the young generation. It's about accepting responsibility for one's actions. It's about sometimes having to do the difficult thing because it's better than doing the easy thing.

Throughout this thread and others, we have people (of older generations) recommending retaliation to those who "diss" us. Why? Because that is the easy response. Because it makes us feel important to get back at others.

Try doing the harder response - be civil, treat the other person with respect whether they deserve it or not, compromise, etc.

The biblical quote isn't "Therefore all things whatsoever men do to you, do ye even so to them, for this is the law and the prophets", it's "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

But as a SOCIETY we have ignored this. Instead we worry about what everyone else is doing instead of worrying about what we are doing ourselves. And it has crossed all generations as can be seen by threads like this.

KillerIsMe wrote:
Guess the best thing to do is get to the campground, stake out my lawn, and keep everyone the hell off it.

I want the BEST spot in the BEST campground and I want it ALL to myself! :P LOL.

Not really the sentiment, but if you only read threads on this forum, one might think that to be the motto of most campers :R

Hurry up, camping season! :)