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Mar 02, 2005

3000W Chinese Gensets Info.

professor95 wrote: EDIT ADDED 45/5/2013- When this thread started in March of 2005, I never expected to see it survive this long or amass the quantity of information that has been shared here. In...
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Curly2001 wrote:
All-Just curious as to how the Wen Power Pro 3500 generators are lasting. Can they pull a 13.5 A/C unit? Are any mods necessary for them to pull that load?
Thanks,
Curly
I had one but a thief cut my steel cable and took it out of my truck. I only had a few hours on it.
Curly


I have one I bought in Oct 1995(right after Hurricaine Katrina).It has I would guess around 100-125 hours on it ans is holding up just fine.Still starts on the 1st or 2nd pull.I have been running 10w30 synthetic blend oil in it.seeme OK.My dad also has one.we had to mod it for full 120v power to get it to run the A/C in his fiver.


Now I have a question,does anyone know where online I can order parts(mostly engine)for a Coleman Powermate Maxa 5000?(I found a few,but am leary ordering parts from a company I know nothing about)I been having it since 1995,& it saved my a** during Hurr.Katrina.It is VERY LOUD,but was glad to have it,Along with my 1000,& 500 watt inverters,with 9 deep cycle communications batteries.I ran the gen for probally 12 to 15 hours for 8 days (ran perfectly).now it doesn't seem to have any compression left.(at least not much)I would like to rebuild before Hurricaine season this year.
Thanks for any info

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professor95 wrote:
EDIT ADDED 45/5/2013- When this thread started in March of 2005, I never expected to see it survive this long or amass the quantity of information that has been shared here.

In the eight year run of this thread we have amassed almost 10,000 postings and surpassed a million views. This creates somewhat of a dilemma for anyone who has just discovered the forum.

Since the amount of information is virtually overwhelming, I suggest you set your preferences for this thread to read \"newest first\" and then begin to page backwards.

What you will find in these pages is a wealth of info on virtually any make or model of Chinese manufactured synchronous (non-inverter) generator in the 3,000 watt performance class. Info will include how to rewire series coils to parallel to obtain maximum wattage from a single 120 volt outlet. Tips on further reducing sound levels, how to care for these generators, which ones are \"RV ready\" and provide the best overall performance for the dollar invested. Which companies NOT to deal with, where the best prices are, how to safely wire the generator into a home or RV, how to check your RV for electrical faults, sources for generator accessories, which 20/30 adapters are safe to use and which are not. How to convert a gasoline generator to propane or NG. This is only the beginning. The forum has a life of its own with the focus sub-topic switching frequently. Still, the main topic of utilizing the amazing, inexpensive Chinese gensets is always there. The amount of creativity and innovation presented in these pages is indicative of the talents shared in the diverse backgrounds of the folks who make up our combined RV community.

Many of the original brands and models of Chinese gensets mentioned in the introduction and early pages of the thread have since disappeared. New EPA and CARB emissions requirements, company bonds assuring the emissions warranty will be honored even if the company goes out of business, and fierce competition in the industry have changed the playing field. Champion Power Equipment has become the apparent \"trophy team\" providing an ever expanding retail outlet, an ample parts supply, a strong warranty and excellent customer service. CPE has continued to improve their product and now offers a new model (#46538) with exclusive convenience, safety and performance features aimed at the RV market. Big names like Cummins/Onan, Honda and Generac all now have Chinese built open frame synchronous gensets available. Ironically, the prices often found on these gensets has not significantly changed during the past eight years - even with the devaluation of the American Dollar and new EPA/CARB requirements.

I also encourage you to use the search function and even the advanced search options to find information. Key works such as \"rewiring\", \"PowerPro\", \"Champion\", \"Onan Homesite\", \"Duropower\", \"ETQ\", \"Jiung Dong or JD\", \"Tractor Supply\", \"Costco\", \"Lowe's\" and \"Home Depot\" are all examples of keywords that will give you specific information on different models being sold by retailers today.

Or, you can fill your glass with your favorite beverage (keep more close by - maybe some munchies as well :D, sit back at your computer, tell your wife (or significant other) that you will see her in the morning and spend the next 10 or so hours reading through the postings.

No one on the forum gets mad if you ask a question that is a repeat. Please do not hesitate to post to the forum. All questions are considered important and those active on the forum will do their best to respond with a valid answer.

Also note we are not out to knock the Honda, Yamaha, Kipor or other brands of high end digital gensets. We recognize the quality of these products and their suitability for quite, efficient RV use. But, there is a flood of reliable, inexpensive and comparatively lower cost gensets coming out of China that are excellent alternative choices for the RVer wanting power to run an air conditioner, microwave, etc. without excessive noise or breaking the budget.

Oh, one last thing. The folks on this forum are true gentlemen. We do not flame one another or the product discussed - period. Ugly contributors usually have their comments and remarks ignored by our masses. It is not a forum to start arguments to obtain a clear win. We do disagree on many issues, but we have all agreed to do that in a respectable manner.

We now have the introduction of more and more inverter gensets. There is a rather extensive thread named \"The Official Unofficial Champion 2000i Generator\" on this forum. Today, I added info on the new Champion 3100i inverter genset. Discussion on this product may get moved to its own thread at a later date.

Many have looked upon this thread with distain saying Chinese is cheap and doomed to failure. I remember saying exactly the same thing about Japanese products a few decades back. But, over the past eight years the track record for Chinese built generators has shown otherwise.

Please, join us in a fascinating journey down the Chinese built genset road of knowledge.

This is the question I posted that got it all started back in March 2005.......

Randy

For a little over a month now, I have been somewhat intrigued by the availability of a 3000 watt, 6.5 HP generator at Pep Boys and Northern Tool for under $300.00. The engine on this generator looks identical to a Honda 6.5 HP OHV engine. Knowing that the Chinese have become very adept at “cloning” reputable technologies from other manufacturers, I was not surprised at the similarities. Neither store could give me any information on the generator nor did they have a “running” display model.

I have done a little research. This is what I have discovered:

Many of these generators are imported by ELIM International (www.eliminternational.com) out of Buffalo, New York from Jiung Manufacturing in China. (The unit at Northern is identical but carries the JIUNG name.)

The engines are indeed a Chinese knockoff of the popular 6.5 HP 196cc Honda Engine. “Supposedly” Honda has licensed the engine technology to the Chinese manufacturer of the product.

The Chinese company that makes the ELM3000 generators is a rather large, diverse, long-standing company with a reputation for “above average quality” Chinese made products (Jiung Manufacturing). There are many more Chinese companies making almost identical gensets.

The generators at PepBoys do have a six month limited warranty. But, it is only on the engine (not the generator) and requires paying for shipping to and from Buffalo. Probably not a very practical thing to do if you have warranty issues.

ELIM does supply replacement parts (a PDF parts manual is available on the ELIM web site). No prices are given for replacement parts nor is there an “availability listing”.

The generator head itself is a brushless design. The only really significant wear parts in the generator are the bearings – most likely universally available.

The published dB rating is 67 at 23 feet. This is “reasonably” quite for a generator of this size as most comparable generators, like the Coleman and NorthStar, run up around 75 to 79 dB. The 67 dB rating is the same as Honda gives their 3000 watt CycloInverter with a “look alike” engine. 67 dB also meets NPS sound level regulations.

The Eliminator 3000 is said to be EPA and CARB approved (NOTE ADDED 3/1/2011: In 2005 - not in 2011).

Other specifications for the generator are available at the company website. The rated output is enough to run a standard 13,500 BTU RV air conditioner. (NOTE ADDED 3/1/2011: ELIM no longer supplies this type of generator)

My observations and opinions:

Even if the engine is a Honda clone, there is no assurance that the tolerances and strength of the metals used to manufacture the connecting rod, crankshaft, valves, etc. are comparable in quality to Honda’s.

With over 300,000 of the Eliminator 3000 generators shipped and sold in the US, by a reputable US importer, it should not be difficult to find replacement parts if you are willing to work with the importer by phone to order them. If you are electro/mechanically repair inclined, this would be no big deal as it is probably what you do with other brands anyway.

JIUNG manufacturing has been around for at least 15 years (maybe longer) – it is not a fly-by-night Chinese start-up knock off company.

With a sale price at Pep-Boys of $249.00 and a Pep-Boys 90 day return warranty, the risk of trying one of these little machines becomes “attractive”. (Northern was $279.00 with a ???? store warranty for the identical unit)

It is quite possible that these generators may be a viable, low cost alternative for “occasional use” on a TT or 5th wheel camper.

Yes, I know the real Honda, Yamaha, Generac or Onan units would be better and undoubtedly more reliable.

No, I have not purchased one – yet. But, I am still “intrigued” and more inclined to do so than I was last week before I did the limited research. I would really like to hear from some folks who have actually purchased one of these generators and what experience they might have had.

Professor R.T. Agee
Mechanicsville, VA
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professor95 wrote:
EDIT ADDED 45/5/2013- When this thread started in March of 2005, I never expected to see it survive this long or amass the quantity of information that has been shared here.

In the eight year run of this thread we have amassed almost 10,000 postings and surpassed a million views. This creates somewhat of a dilemma for anyone who has just discovered the forum.

Since the amount of information is virtually overwhelming, I suggest you set your preferences for this thread to read \"newest first\" and then begin to page backwards.

What you will find in these pages is a wealth of info on virtually any make or model of Chinese manufactured synchronous (non-inverter) generator in the 3,000 watt performance class. Info will include how to rewire series coils to parallel to obtain maximum wattage from a single 120 volt outlet. Tips on further reducing sound levels, how to care for these generators, which ones are \"RV ready\" and provide the best overall performance for the dollar invested. Which companies NOT to deal with, where the best prices are, how to safely wire the generator into a home or RV, how to check your RV for electrical faults, sources for generator accessories, which 20/30 adapters are safe to use and which are not. How to convert a gasoline generator to propane or NG. This is only the beginning. The forum has a life of its own with the focus sub-topic switching frequently. Still, the main topic of utilizing the amazing, inexpensive Chinese gensets is always there. The amount of creativity and innovation presented in these pages is indicative of the talents shared in the diverse backgrounds of the folks who make up our combined RV community.

Many of the original brands and models of Chinese gensets mentioned in the introduction and early pages of the thread have since disappeared. New EPA and CARB emissions requirements, company bonds assuring the emissions warranty will be honored even if the company goes out of business, and fierce competition in the industry have changed the playing field. Champion Power Equipment has become the apparent \"trophy team\" providing an ever expanding retail outlet, an ample parts supply, a strong warranty and excellent customer service. CPE has continued to improve their product and now offers a new model (#46538) with exclusive convenience, safety and performance features aimed at the RV market. Big names like Cummins/Onan, Honda and Generac all now have Chinese built open frame synchronous gensets available. Ironically, the prices often found on these gensets has not significantly changed during the past eight years - even with the devaluation of the American Dollar and new EPA/CARB requirements.

I also encourage you to use the search function and even the advanced search options to find information. Key works such as \"rewiring\", \"PowerPro\", \"Champion\", \"Onan Homesite\", \"Duropower\", \"ETQ\", \"Jiung Dong or JD\", \"Tractor Supply\", \"Costco\", \"Lowe's\" and \"Home Depot\" are all examples of keywords that will give you specific information on different models being sold by retailers today.

Or, you can fill your glass with your favorite beverage (keep more close by - maybe some munchies as well :D, sit back at your computer, tell your wife (or significant other) that you will see her in the morning and spend the next 10 or so hours reading through the postings.

No one on the forum gets mad if you ask a question that is a repeat. Please do not hesitate to post to the forum. All questions are considered important and those active on the forum will do their best to respond with a valid answer.

Also note we are not out to knock the Honda, Yamaha, Kipor or other brands of high end digital gensets. We recognize the quality of these products and their suitability for quite, efficient RV use. But, there is a flood of reliable, inexpensive and comparatively lower cost gensets coming out of China that are excellent alternative choices for the RVer wanting power to run an air conditioner, microwave, etc. without excessive noise or breaking the budget.

Oh, one last thing. The folks on this forum are true gentlemen. We do not flame one another or the product discussed - period. Ugly contributors usually have their comments and remarks ignored by our masses. It is not a forum to start arguments to obtain a clear win. We do disagree on many issues, but we have all agreed to do that in a respectable manner.

We now have the introduction of more and more inverter gensets. There is a rather extensive thread named \"The Official Unofficial Champion 2000i Generator\" on this forum. Today, I added info on the new Champion 3100i inverter genset. Discussion on this product may get moved to its own thread at a later date.

Many have looked upon this thread with distain saying Chinese is cheap and doomed to failure. I remember saying exactly the same thing about Japanese products a few decades back. But, over the past eight years the track record for Chinese built generators has shown otherwise.

Please, join us in a fascinating journey down the Chinese built genset road of knowledge.

This is the question I posted that got it all started back in March 2005.......

Randy

For a little over a month now, I have been somewhat intrigued by the availability of a 3000 watt, 6.5 HP generator at Pep Boys and Northern Tool for under $300.00. The engine on this generator looks identical to a Honda 6.5 HP OHV engine. Knowing that the Chinese have become very adept at “cloning” reputable technologies from other manufacturers, I was not surprised at the similarities. Neither store could give me any information on the generator nor did they have a “running” display model.

I have done a little research. This is what I have discovered:

Many of these generators are imported by ELIM International (www.eliminternational.com) out of Buffalo, New York from Jiung Manufacturing in China. (The unit at Northern is identical but carries the JIUNG name.)

The engines are indeed a Chinese knockoff of the popular 6.5 HP 196cc Honda Engine. “Supposedly” Honda has licensed the engine technology to the Chinese manufacturer of the product.

The Chinese company that makes the ELM3000 generators is a rather large, diverse, long-standing company with a reputation for “above average quality” Chinese made products (Jiung Manufacturing). There are many more Chinese companies making almost identical gensets.

The generators at PepBoys do have a six month limited warranty. But, it is only on the engine (not the generator) and requires paying for shipping to and from Buffalo. Probably not a very practical thing to do if you have warranty issues.

ELIM does supply replacement parts (a PDF parts manual is available on the ELIM web site). No prices are given for replacement parts nor is there an “availability listing”.

The generator head itself is a brushless design. The only really significant wear parts in the generator are the bearings – most likely universally available.

The published dB rating is 67 at 23 feet. This is “reasonably” quite for a generator of this size as most comparable generators, like the Coleman and NorthStar, run up around 75 to 79 dB. The 67 dB rating is the same as Honda gives their 3000 watt CycloInverter with a “look alike” engine. 67 dB also meets NPS sound level regulations.

The Eliminator 3000 is said to be EPA and CARB approved (NOTE ADDED 3/1/2011: In 2005 - not in 2011).

Other specifications for the generator are available at the company website. The rated output is enough to run a standard 13,500 BTU RV air conditioner. (NOTE ADDED 3/1/2011: ELIM no longer supplies this type of generator)

My observations and opinions:

Even if the engine is a Honda clone, there is no assurance that the tolerances and strength of the metals used to manufacture the connecting rod, crankshaft, valves, etc. are comparable in quality to Honda’s.

With over 300,000 of the Eliminator 3000 generators shipped and sold in the US, by a reputable US importer, it should not be difficult to find replacement parts if you are willing to work with the importer by phone to order them. If you are electro/mechanically repair inclined, this would be no big deal as it is probably what you do with other brands anyway.

JIUNG manufacturing has been around for at least 15 years (maybe longer) – it is not a fly-by-night Chinese start-up knock off company.

With a sale price at Pep-Boys of $249.00 and a Pep-Boys 90 day return warranty, the risk of trying one of these little machines becomes “attractive”. (Northern was $279.00 with a ???? store warranty for the identical unit)

It is quite possible that these generators may be a viable, low cost alternative for “occasional use” on a TT or 5th wheel camper.

Yes, I know the real Honda, Yamaha, Generac or Onan units would be better and undoubtedly more reliable.

No, I have not purchased one – yet. But, I am still “intrigued” and more inclined to do so than I was last week before I did the limited research. I would really like to hear from some folks who have actually purchased one of these generators and what experience they might have had.

Professor R.T. Agee
Mechanicsville, VA
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Curly2001 wrote:
All-Just curious as to how the Wen Power Pro 3500 generators are lasting. Can they pull a 13.5 A/C unit? Are any mods necessary for them to pull that load?
Thanks,
Curly
I had one but a thief cut my steel cable and took it out of my truck. I only had a few hours on it.
Curly


I have one I bought in Oct 1995(right after Hurricaine Katrina).It has I would guess around 100-125 hours on it ans is holding up just fine.Still starts on the 1st or 2nd pull.I have been running 10w30 synthetic blend oil in it.seeme OK.My dad also has one.we had to mod it for full 120v power to get it to run the A/C in his fiver.


Now I have a question,does anyone know where online I can order parts(mostly engine)for a Coleman Powermate Maxa 5000?(I found a few,but am leary ordering parts from a company I know nothing about)I been having it since 1995,& it saved my a** during Hurr.Katrina.It is VERY LOUD,but was glad to have it,Along with my 1000,& 500 watt inverters,with 9 deep cycle communications batteries.I ran the gen for probally 12 to 15 hours for 8 days (ran perfectly).now it doesn't seem to have any compression left.(at least not much)I would like to rebuild before Hurricaine season this year.
Thanks for any info","body@stringLength":"1320","rawBody":"
Curly2001 wrote:
All-Just curious as to how the Wen Power Pro 3500 generators are lasting. Can they pull a 13.5 A/C unit? Are any mods necessary for them to pull that load?
Thanks,
Curly
I had one but a thief cut my steel cable and took it out of my truck. I only had a few hours on it.
Curly


I have one I bought in Oct 1995(right after Hurricaine Katrina).It has I would guess around 100-125 hours on it ans is holding up just fine.Still starts on the 1st or 2nd pull.I have been running 10w30 synthetic blend oil in it.seeme OK.My dad also has one.we had to mod it for full 120v power to get it to run the A/C in his fiver.


Now I have a question,does anyone know where online I can order parts(mostly engine)for a Coleman Powermate Maxa 5000?(I found a few,but am leary ordering parts from a company I know nothing about)I been having it since 1995,& it saved my a** during Hurr.Katrina.It is VERY LOUD,but was glad to have it,Along with my 1000,& 500 watt inverters,with 9 deep cycle communications batteries.I ran the gen for probally 12 to 15 hours for 8 days (ran perfectly).now it doesn't seem to have any compression left.(at least not much)I would like to rebuild before Hurricaine season this year.
Thanks for any 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