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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
The Sierra Club — the environmental group that blew the whistle on FEMA when Hurricane Katrina victims were given toxic RV trailers to live in — has warned that some mobile homes en route to victims of the California wildfires have the same excessive formaldehyde levels that sickened some Katrina victims . . .

So this is ends up being 2007 clickbait? Stick to tech stuff, Mex.

Each and every TT on a dealers lot is full of formaldehyde. They have NOT changed how they make them. Some have higher concentrations then others.

When I was looking at new ones I could not stand the smell. I would open the door on the ones on the lot and that's all it took for me. I did not go in them. At the time I was looking the Surveyor models were absolutely the worse.

Perhaps some don't have a heighten sense of smell and do not smell the formaldehyde. But I sure CAN.

I did not buy a TT because of it. As most salesman said: "Ah all you need to do is just open the windows the smell goes away." Ya, right. But the formaldehyde is STILL there. :R

fj12ryder wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

pnichols wrote:
This will probably add a bunch more pages to this discussion, but here goes: Isn't using formaldehyde to sanitize and deordorize RV black tanks now frowned upon, or flat out not allowed, at some RV parks? I believe that our traveling friends still use it in their RV's black tank.

P.S. Some folks are very happy that we don't get all the government that we pay for ... but I don't feel that way. I want all the government I can get - not to supposedly protect people from themselves ... but to protect meself from them people.

I'm not sure about that. However, I do remember Adams Flea and Tick Off spray. It used to work really great and then one day it wasn't that effective. Come to find out it used to have formaldehyde as an ingredient. Formaldehyde has been in many many things over the years.

So have lead and asbestos and arsenic and mercury. As the dangers have been discovered, these and other products have been altered to make them less harmful to the innocent bystanders. Heck, thalidomide was considered an excellent product until the babies started arriving.

I agree with you 100 percent. That's why knowledge is a good thing.

toedtoes wrote:

pnichols wrote:
This will probably add a bunch more pages to this discussion, but here goes: Isn't using formaldehyde to sanitize and deordorize RV black tanks now frowned upon, or flat out not allowed, at some RV parks? I believe that our traveling friends still use it in their RV's black tank.

P.S. Some folks are very happy that we don't get all the government that we pay for ... but I don't feel that way. I want all the government I can get - not to supposedly protect people from themselves ... but to protect meself from them people.

I'm not sure about that. However, I do remember Adams Flea and Tick Off spray. It used to work really great and then one day it wasn't that effective. Come to find out it used to have formaldehyde as an ingredient. Formaldehyde has been in many many things over the years.

So have lead and asbestos and arsenic and mercury. As the dangers have been discovered, these and other products have been altered to make them less harmful to the innocent bystanders. Heck, thalidomide was considered an excellent product until the babies started arriving.

pnichols wrote:
This will probably add a bunch more pages to this discussion, but here goes: Isn't using formaldehyde to sanitize and deordorize RV black tanks now frowned upon, or flat out not allowed, at some RV parks? I believe that our traveling friends still use it in their RV's black tank.

P.S. Some folks are very happy that we don't get all the government that we pay for ... but I don't feel that way. I want all the government I can get - not to supposedly protect people from themselves ... but to protect meself from them people.

I'm not sure about that. However, I do remember Adams Flea and Tick Off spray. It used to work really great and then one day it wasn't that effective. Come to find out it used to have formaldehyde as an ingredient. Formaldehyde has been in many many things over the years.

RayJayco wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

RayJayco wrote:
I am just wondering how our ancestors made it living in cold, damp caves and how poor people in 3rd world countries live in houses made with sticks and mud with dirt floors. Log cabins. Drinking from streams and rivers. Homeless living in cardboard.

I am surprised that any of us are alive!

Our ancestors had an average lifespan of less than 40 years. Many of these 3rd world countries have a population that suffers and die from diseases that are easily prevented with proper sanitation.

I think we go overboard on the "dirt is deadly must sanitize everything" bandwagon, but basic sanitary improvements can save many many many many lives.

That can be very controversial and greatly depends upon many things... Ancient Greeks and Egyptians have documentation of living into their 70's, even 90's, regularly. Of course for commoners, not many records exist.

Scientists seem to agree that leaving the nomad life of hunters and gatherers for sedentism gave the potential for better food as they added farming. Warring was a major cause of death as well.

Of course when viewing life expectancy statistics, infant mortality must be taken into consideration, often skewing the results.

I agree that sanitation and medical developments have been huge contributors to lifespan, however even today, not many make it past 100. Is that our biological limit as humans?

We really do not have a lot of records besides the skeletons that are happened upon, to get any idea of maximum lifespan of hundreds or thousands of years ago.

One can safely say that harnessing fire to cook meat making it much easier digestion, definitely impacted life expectancy, although that was thousands of years ago, according to cave drawings anyway...

I actually lived in third world before (1997 to ~2002) and saw sanitation and medical causing more problems than the houses they lived in. Lack of food played a large part as well as did gangs and murders.

Statistics is a tricky thing, often bias, depending upon the quality and disclosure of the information that is used to determine the results.

Well, I guess the question is are those 3rd world houses being lived in built the same way as these mass-produced assembly line mobile homes? I suspect most are not.

Again, my take on all this is that it doesn't hurt to be informed and it just may help.

toedtoes wrote:

RayJayco wrote:
I am just wondering how our ancestors made it living in cold, damp caves and how poor people in 3rd world countries live in houses made with sticks and mud with dirt floors. Log cabins. Drinking from streams and rivers. Homeless living in cardboard.

I am surprised that any of us are alive!

Our ancestors had an average lifespan of less than 40 years. Many of these 3rd world countries have a population that suffers and die from diseases that are easily prevented with proper sanitation.

I think we go overboard on the "dirt is deadly must sanitize everything" bandwagon, but basic sanitary improvements can save many many many many lives.

That can be very controversial and greatly depends upon many things... Ancient Greeks and Egyptians have documentation of living into their 70's, even 90's, regularly. Of course for commoners, not many records exist.

Scientists seem to agree that leaving the nomad life of hunters and gatherers for sedentism gave the potential for better food as they added farming. Warring was a major cause of death as well.

Of course when viewing life expectancy statistics, infant mortality must be taken into consideration, often skewing the results.

I agree that sanitation and medical developments have been huge contributors to lifespan, however even today, not many make it past 100. Is that our biological limit as humans?

We really do not have a lot of records besides the skeletons that are happened upon, to get any idea of maximum lifespan of hundreds or thousands of years ago.

One can safely say that harnessing fire to cook meat making it much easier digestion, definitely impacted life expectancy, although that was thousands of years ago, according to cave drawings anyway...

I actually lived in third world before (1997 to ~2002) and saw sanitation and medical causing more problems than the houses they lived in. Lack of food played a large part as well as did gangs and murders.

Statistics is a tricky thing, often bias, depending upon the quality and disclosure of the information that is used to determine the results.

This will probably add a bunch more pages to this discussion, but here goes: Isn't using formaldehyde to sanitize and deordorize RV black tanks now frowned upon, or flat out not allowed, at some RV parks? I believe that our traveling friends still use it in their RV's black tank.

P.S. Some folks are very happy that we don't get all the government that we pay for ... but I don't feel that way. I want all the government I can get - not to supposedly protect people from themselves ... but to protect meself from them people.

RayJayco wrote:
I am just wondering how our ancestors made it living in cold, damp caves and how poor people in 3rd world countries live in houses made with sticks and mud with dirt floors. Log cabins. Drinking from streams and rivers. Homeless living in cardboard.

I am surprised that any of us are alive!

Our ancestors had an average lifespan of less than 40 years. Many of these 3rd world countries have a population that suffers and die from diseases that are easily prevented with proper sanitation.

I think we go overboard on the "dirt is deadly must sanitize everything" bandwagon, but basic sanitary improvements can save many many many many lives.

I am just wondering how our ancestors made it living in cold, damp caves and how poor people in 3rd world countries live in houses made with sticks and mud with dirt floors. Log cabins. Drinking from streams and rivers. Homeless living in cardboard.

I am surprised that any of us are alive!