dual carbon LI technology battery

I want to see this happen before I die...

Hi mlts22,

They are a sealed battery so zero maintenance.

If these required no upkeep like AGMs, it definitely would be worth the cost of admission. Mainly because my battery capacity will double, since I wouldn't have to worry about going below 50% SOC and the damage that ensues.

I wonder how they react to temperature change. If a flooded bank is under 50 degrees, it produces a fraction of the power it would come summer. If they have fewer issues with cold temperatures, that would definitely be a plus.

I just wish for more energy density. You get energy density in an order of magnitude of gasoline, and our way of life will fundamentally change.

Hi,

3000 charges / 365 days = 8.2 years

It is extremely unlikely that you would drive the 300 miles required to discharge the tesla in one day for urban driving.

down home wrote:
We have a small Lithium Ion chain saw not the latest carbon carbon or whatever. It performs well and never ran out of a charge. The chain is scrap though.
Cost of the replacement battery is over 100.00. The whole saw didn't cost but 179.00.
I would hate to replace the battery pack in a car.
3000 cycles is a lot if you live in town and just go to the coffee shop.
In real America that isn't so long. We use our vehicles daily and long miles several times a week.
I don't know any figures but 3 recharges a week would give you something like 3 years life maybe.
Drive on weekends and commute a long way to work and it might be five or six charges a week.

My math says that if you charged the battery pack every day, you'd get just short of 10 yrs..

We have a small Lithium Ion chain saw not the latest carbon carbon or whatever. It performs well and never ran out of a charge. The chain is scrap though.
Cost of the replacement battery is over 100.00. The whole saw didn't cost but 179.00.
I would hate to replace the battery pack in a car.
3000 cycles is a lot if you live in town and just go to the coffee shop.
In real America that isn't so long. We use our vehicles daily and long miles several times a week.
I don't know any figures but 3 recharges a week would give you something like 3 years life maybe.
Drive on weekends and commute a long way to work and it might be five or six charges a week.

I wonder how this is going to affect Teslas $5 billion lithium battery plant being built in Phoenix?

Hi,

We don't need the 6831 cells in a Tesla. Nor do we need 90 kwh of storage. The greatest amp-hours I've heard of is 12 six volt golf cart batteries, or about 1392 amp-hours @ 12 volts. Given that the golf cart batteries should not be taken below 50% that equates to 700 amp-hours or 8.4 Khw of these new cells.

Yep - initially they'll be quite expensive. (LI of any sort for this purpose still are, although they are gradually coming down.) If they work out well though, that will change in time.

I have seen some reports on this stuff.. But one of the thingS I kind of wonder about i$ well clearly $potted if you look for thing$ odd about this po$t. (Sorry I keep thinking of a funny $tory that happened to me long time ago, trooper with a faulty in-car Teletype $ent me a me$$age figuring I could figure it out.. I could, (Hi$ "U" key was broken $o he $ent "EWE" instead. If you get it, you get it, if now, Well, I got it).

The Cost of those puppies.. I mean I do not want replacing the battery to double the cost of my Motor home.