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brulaz
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Apr 25, 2017

Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground

Here's a picture of how a Kisae 2000W inverter's GFCI outlet is wired.

The neutral side is not bonded to socket ground other than through a capacitor, as is the hot side. I guess the caps have something to do with the GFCI? Otherwise there's nothing connected to Grd on the socket internally.

However the neutral is connected to the case ground via a green wire with a big black blob in it. Any ideas what that would be?

And case ground will go to the chassis, so this socket's AC Neutral will go to chassis via the blob.

But over at the trailer's AC distribution centre, AC Grd goes to chassis. AC neutral is not bonded to AC Grd over there.

So it seems AC neutral will be bonded to AC ground via the chassis when this inverter is connected? (Initially will just run an extension cord from the inverter to the trailer's 120V input)

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  • brulaz's avatar
    brulaz
    Explorer
    May 05, 2017
    Tried the Kisae by plugging in the trailer's 120VAC input cord.

    This would create a neutral to ground bond via the Kisae's neutral-to-case, case-to-chassis and then the trailer's chassis-to-120VAC_Grd connections.

    And sure enough, my Prog. Dyn. EMS accepted it. This EMS requires a bonded input.

    On the other hand, if I don't use the trailer's 120VAC system with it's ground-to-chassis, and plug some appliance directly into the Kisae. It will NOT be bonded. :R
  • brulaz's avatar
    brulaz
    Explorer
    Apr 27, 2017
    RCMAN46 wrote:
    The two blue things that you thought are capacitors are most likely Metal Oxide Varistors that provide transient protection . If you look on the side we can not see there should be a device ID number.


    Turns out they're glued to the socket with no identifying marks visible. I see something similar on the DC inputs as well.
  • brulaz's avatar
    brulaz
    Explorer
    Apr 27, 2017
    SCVJeff wrote:
    road-runner wrote:
    A lot of 2-wire output inverters and generators have one of their conductors bonded to ground. While not all do it, it's a standard thing and I see no issue with it. The black blob could possibly be a ferrite bead to suppress electrical noise transmission between the chassis ground and inverter, but with no visibility under the shrink tubing it's only a guess.
    Thats sure what it looks like with the shape and the ground wire appearing to loop


    Got a closer look. It's a metal cylinder with the green wire going through it, looping back and going through it again. Then the whole thing covered in black shrink wrap.
  • road-runner's avatar
    road-runner
    Explorer III
    Apr 26, 2017
    DrewE wrote:

    I am having a difficult time understanding your logic here.

    There is good logic in letting the inverter or generator's output float. Unfortunately, there's also good logic to bond it to ground. If there's no failure in the electrical system, either way is perfectly and equally safe. When there's a failure, one method or the other will give an advantage in either protecting against shock or making the failure known. For example, when unbonded, if the metal case of an appliance became connected to either of the power conductors, there would be no significant shock potential if a person were to touch the appliance and RV chassis at the same time. In the bonded situation, there would be full shock potential. On the flip side, in a bonded situation if the ungrounded (i.e hot) conductor shorts to ground, a breaker will be thrown, while the same situation unbonded will give no indication that a failure has occurred. IMO there's no clear best solution, which is why the debate hasn't ended and may never end.
  • DrewE's avatar
    DrewE
    Explorer II
    Apr 26, 2017
    MrWizard wrote:
    Do NOT BOND THE NEUTRAL to ground on the inverter
    There is no earth ground safety when off grid on inverter power
    Bonding the inverter neutral would make the RV frame part of the electrical circuit for the inverter
    It would be the neutral, this is not safe
    Do Not Bond neutral to ground


    I am having a difficult time understanding your logic here. Certainly the inverter (or anything else in the RV) should not bond ground and neutral when operating on external shore power; but when running disconnected, I don't see any potential problem. That does presuppose a proper transfer switching arrangement, either a transfer switch or a plug and socket setup or dedicated inverter only circuits, but that's rather essential anyway so the inverter output and shore power can not fight each other.

    Standard practice for built-in RV generators is to bond neutral and chassis ground when operating off of generator power. I know for a fact my Onan is wired that way; the neutral and ground outputs are connected to the same metal bit attached to the chassis. Why should an inverter be different?

    (Bonding and grounding are, of course, quite separate safety measures, and serve different purposes. Grounding is used to tie the overall potential of the electrical system to something reasonably close to earth potential, so it doesn't float to a dangerous level. That's far more important in large area distributed electrical systems than in local, self-contained ones. Bonding is done to provide a low-impedance fault current return should there be a short circuit to equipment chassis or whatever, which hopefully trips the breaker or blows the fuse, rather than having the chassis be energized and some unfortunate person form the current return path.)
  • brulaz's avatar
    brulaz
    Explorer
    Apr 26, 2017
    road-runner wrote:
    From the picture it sure looks like it was already bonded at the factory.


    120VAC Neutral is not bonded to the 120VAC socket's Ground screw, but to what look's like the case ground.
    EDIT: That's definitely the case ground.

    And the case ground is wired to the frame/chassis ground, which is wired to the 120VAC Ground back at the 120VAC distribution centre, which ends up back at the inverter.

    So yes, ultimately, when running the inverter, it looks like 120VAC neutral and ground are bonded.
  • Bill_Satellite's avatar
    Bill_Satellite
    Explorer II
    Apr 26, 2017
    The Kisae and Heart inverters that I have looked at automatically bond neutral and ground when in inverter mode (no shore/generator power). This is not optional. It is the only way the inverter functions.
    The inverter DOES NOT bond neutral/ground when connected to an external 120V source and is acting in pass-through mode.
  • road-runner's avatar
    road-runner
    Explorer III
    Apr 26, 2017
    From the picture it sure looks like it was already bonded at the factory.
  • MrWizard's avatar
    MrWizard
    Moderator
    Apr 26, 2017
    Do NOT BOND THE NEUTRAL to ground on the inverter
    There is no earth ground safety when off grid on inverter power
    Bonding the inverter neutral would make the RV frame part of the electrical circuit for the inverter
    It would be the neutral, this is not safe
    Do Not Bond neutral to ground
  • BFL13's avatar
    BFL13
    Explorer II
    Apr 26, 2017
    brulaz wrote:
    road-runner wrote:
    I didn't see where the OP stated whether his inverter was with or without built-in transfer switch. If it's without, the GFCI outlet is the only AC output and it has a hardwired bonded conductor.
    ...


    ............ I purchased this Kisae on sale at the Buffalo NY WestMarine for US$343 and wasn't really sure about it's reputation.


    These local guys sell them and I know they are very fussy about what they sell, since it comes back to them if it is no good, so they have to be careful.

    http://www.wegosolar.com/categories.php?category=Off-Grid-Inverters/KISAE

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The neutral side is not bonded to socket ground other than through a capacitor, as is the hot side. I guess the caps have something to do with the GFCI? Otherwise there's nothing connected to Grd on the socket internally.

However the neutral is connected to the case ground via a green wire with a big black blob in it. Any ideas what that would be?

And case ground will go to the chassis, so this socket's AC Neutral will go to chassis via the blob.

But over at the trailer's AC distribution centre, AC Grd goes to chassis. AC neutral is not bonded to AC Grd over there.

So it seems AC neutral will be bonded to AC ground via the chassis when this inverter is connected? (Initially will just run an extension cord from the inverter to the trailer's 120V input)

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The neutral side is not bonded to socket ground other than through a capacitor, as is the hot side. I guess the caps have something to do with the GFCI? Otherwise there's nothing connected to Grd on the socket internally.

However the neutral is connected to the case ground via a green wire with a big black blob in it. Any ideas what that would be?

And case ground will go to the chassis, so this socket's AC Neutral will go to chassis via the blob.

But over at the trailer's AC distribution centre, AC Grd goes to chassis. AC neutral is not bonded to AC Grd over there.

So it seems AC neutral will be bonded to AC ground via the chassis when this inverter is connected? (Initially will just run an extension cord from the inverter to the trailer's 120V input)

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Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640607"},"body":"Tried the Kisae by plugging in the trailer's 120VAC input cord.

This would create a neutral to ground bond via the Kisae's neutral-to-case, case-to-chassis and then the trailer's chassis-to-120VAC_Grd connections.

And sure enough, my Prog. Dyn. EMS accepted it. This EMS requires a bonded input.

On the other hand, if I don't use the trailer's 120VAC system with it's ground-to-chassis, and plug some appliance directly into the Kisae. It will NOT be bonded. :R","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-05-05T07:15:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-05-05T07:15:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":671},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2640580/message:2640607","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640606":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2640606","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2640606":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:248535"},"id":"message:2640606","revisionNum":1,"uid":2640606,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2640580"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2640580"},"subject":"Re: Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640606"},"body":"
RCMAN46 wrote:
The two blue things that you thought are capacitors are most likely Metal Oxide Varistors that provide transient protection . If you look on the side we can not see there should be a device ID number.


Turns out they're glued to the socket with no identifying marks visible. I see something similar on the DC inputs as well.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-26T19:09:41.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-26T19:09:41.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":670},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2640580/message:2640606","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640605":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2640605","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2640605":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:248535"},"id":"message:2640605","revisionNum":1,"uid":2640605,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2640580"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2640580"},"subject":"Re: Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640605"},"body":"
SCVJeff wrote:
road-runner wrote:
A lot of 2-wire output inverters and generators have one of their conductors bonded to ground. While not all do it, it's a standard thing and I see no issue with it. The black blob could possibly be a ferrite bead to suppress electrical noise transmission between the chassis ground and inverter, but with no visibility under the shrink tubing it's only a guess.
Thats sure what it looks like with the shape and the ground wire appearing to loop


Got a closer look. It's a metal cylinder with the green wire going through it, looping back and going through it again. Then the whole thing covered in black shrink wrap.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-26T19:07:03.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-26T19:07:03.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":658},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2640580/message:2640605","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:368677":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:368677","uid":368677,"login":"road-runner","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-05-03T19:34:25.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:368677"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640604":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2640604","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2640604":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:368677"},"id":"message:2640604","revisionNum":1,"uid":2640604,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2640580"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2640580"},"subject":"Re: Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640604"},"body":"
DrewE wrote:

I am having a difficult time understanding your logic here.

There is good logic in letting the inverter or generator's output float. Unfortunately, there's also good logic to bond it to ground. If there's no failure in the electrical system, either way is perfectly and equally safe. When there's a failure, one method or the other will give an advantage in either protecting against shock or making the failure known. For example, when unbonded, if the metal case of an appliance became connected to either of the power conductors, there would be no significant shock potential if a person were to touch the appliance and RV chassis at the same time. In the bonded situation, there would be full shock potential. On the flip side, in a bonded situation if the ungrounded (i.e hot) conductor shorts to ground, a breaker will be thrown, while the same situation unbonded will give no indication that a failure has occurred. IMO there's no clear best solution, which is why the debate hasn't ended and may never end.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-26T09:10:03.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-26T09:10:03.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":657},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2640580/message:2640604","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:41":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:41","position":33,"name":"Explorer II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:176982":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:176982","uid":176982,"login":"DrewE","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-08-23T20:16:04.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:176982"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640603":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2640603","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2640603":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:176982"},"id":"message:2640603","revisionNum":1,"uid":2640603,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2640580"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2640580"},"subject":"Re: Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640603"},"body":"
MrWizard wrote:
Do NOT BOND THE NEUTRAL to ground on the inverter
There is no earth ground safety when off grid on inverter power
Bonding the inverter neutral would make the RV frame part of the electrical circuit for the inverter
It would be the neutral, this is not safe
Do Not Bond neutral to ground


I am having a difficult time understanding your logic here. Certainly the inverter (or anything else in the RV) should not bond ground and neutral when operating on external shore power; but when running disconnected, I don't see any potential problem. That does presuppose a proper transfer switching arrangement, either a transfer switch or a plug and socket setup or dedicated inverter only circuits, but that's rather essential anyway so the inverter output and shore power can not fight each other.

Standard practice for built-in RV generators is to bond neutral and chassis ground when operating off of generator power. I know for a fact my Onan is wired that way; the neutral and ground outputs are connected to the same metal bit attached to the chassis. Why should an inverter be different?

(Bonding and grounding are, of course, quite separate safety measures, and serve different purposes. Grounding is used to tie the overall potential of the electrical system to something reasonably close to earth potential, so it doesn't float to a dangerous level. That's far more important in large area distributed electrical systems than in local, self-contained ones. Bonding is done to provide a low-impedance fault current return should there be a short circuit to equipment chassis or whatever, which hopefully trips the breaker or blows the fuse, rather than having the chassis be energized and some unfortunate person form the current return path.)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-26T08:31:24.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-26T08:31:24.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":653},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2640580/message:2640603","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640602":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2640602","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2640602":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:248535"},"id":"message:2640602","revisionNum":1,"uid":2640602,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2640580"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2640580"},"subject":"Re: Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640602"},"body":"
road-runner wrote:
From the picture it sure looks like it was already bonded at the factory.


120VAC Neutral is not bonded to the 120VAC socket's Ground screw, but to what look's like the case ground.
EDIT: That's definitely the case ground.

And the case ground is wired to the frame/chassis ground, which is wired to the 120VAC Ground back at the 120VAC distribution centre, which ends up back at the inverter.

So yes, ultimately, when running the inverter, it looks like 120VAC neutral and ground are bonded.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-26T07:05:45.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-26T07:05:45.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":661},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2640580/message:2640602","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:174774":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:174774","uid":174774,"login":"Bill_Satellite","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-12-25T15:29:56.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:174774"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640601":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2640601","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2640601":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:174774"},"id":"message:2640601","revisionNum":1,"uid":2640601,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2640580"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2640580"},"subject":"Re: Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640601"},"body":"The Kisae and Heart inverters that I have looked at automatically bond neutral and ground when in inverter mode (no shore/generator power). This is not optional. It is the only way the inverter functions.
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There is no earth ground safety when off grid on inverter power
Bonding the inverter neutral would make the RV frame part of the electrical circuit for the inverter
It would be the neutral, this is not safe
Do Not Bond neutral to ground","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2017-04-25T20:25:53.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-04-25T20:25:53.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":659},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2640580/message:2640599","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:63866":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:63866","uid":63866,"login":"BFL13","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-02-15T14:46:18.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:63866"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640598":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2640598","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2640598":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63866"},"id":"message:2640598","revisionNum":1,"uid":2640598,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2640580"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2640580"},"subject":"Re: Inverter Bonding Neutral to Ground","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2640598"},"body":"
brulaz wrote:
road-runner wrote:
I didn't see where the OP stated whether his inverter was with or without built-in transfer switch. If it's without, the GFCI outlet is the only AC output and it has a hardwired bonded conductor.
...


............ I purchased this Kisae on sale at the Buffalo NY WestMarine for US$343 and wasn't really sure about it's reputation.


These local guys sell them and I know they are very fussy about what they sell, since it comes back to them if it is no good, so they have to be careful.

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