K&N air filter

fj12ryder wrote:
It just slays me that people are so quick to deride someone who holds a counter opinion. It's as though the ones who hold their opinion are not sheep. Yeah, right. They've bought into all the anti-K&N propaganda, but, nope, they aren't sheep. They believe it but have never tried it, but, nope, they aren't sheep, just well informed, ovine quadrupeds. Gotta love it. :)

You can usually tell when someone runs out of arguments, they just resort to throwing mud. Or sheep scat. :)

I TRIED a K$N..

Result was no extra power.

No extra gas mileage.

No faster than stock.

More noise? Check, yep, it "sounds" a bit louder, but louder does not make it go faster or get better mileage.

In the end it also oil and dirt fouled the MAF..

And BEFORE you spout off about ME personally over oiling it.. I will point out that the oil and dirt fouling out of the the MAF happened from using the filter as it CAME direct from K$N..

And BEFORE you spout off about K$N not preoiling the filters.. THEY DO PREOIL MOST filters.. Some filters they do not.

Mine came with oil dripping out of the plastic..

And BEFORE you spout something about I bought a "used" K$N, it was not. The plastic was HEAT SHRINK SEALED to the filter.

And BEFORE you spout something about that I am the only one that has had problems with K$N, NO.. I am not.

I have to continually clean my Dads' carburetor on his truck every 3-4 months because he INSISTS that K$N is a "better" filter than a stock paper filter. And since he is in 80's he doesn't drive more than 1K miles per year but like clock work I get a call that his engine won't idle again.. and it starts all over again for me..

Yeah, I bought in to the marketing hype, spent $50 on the junker and even spent an additional $20 for the K$N "cleaning kit" which I ended up throwing out also.

Paper filters cost $10, I get 30K miles out of a paper filter.. For that $70 I spent on the K$N I could have bought 7 paper filters.. so with the stock filter that comes with the vehicle and 7 more filters I will get 240,000 miles of driving on that same vehicle.. That is pretty much the "life" of most vehicles and most owners will have traded/sold the vehicles well before 240K miles..

If it wasn't for the fact that I have been wrenching on my own engines since 16 and well over 35 yrs of doing that I would have taken that vehicle to a dealer and they would have sold me a new MAF for $250 PLUS hit me for $200 labor PLUS a diagnostics fee..

Yeah, I am not a K$N "sheep" any more..

It just slays me that people are so quick to deride someone who holds a counter opinion. It's as though the ones who hold their opinion are not sheep. Yeah, right. They've bought into all the anti-K&N propaganda, but, nope, they aren't sheep. They believe it but have never tried it, but, nope, they aren't sheep, just well informed, ovine quadrupeds. Gotta love it. :)

You can usually tell when someone runs out of arguments, they just resort to throwing mud. Or sheep scat. :)

fj12ryder wrote:
All the time wondering about those 50 years of selling junk? :)

50 yrs of good "marketing" to blissful and happy..

(sheep)

Like Landyacht318 I ran a K&N filter, well actually two on a dual carburetor VW powered dune buggy. They were brand new, and freshly oiled. After half a day I pulled the covers and there was obvious sand contamination on the wrong side of the filter.

ironically I still run a K&N on one of my vehicles. Not because I like it but because it's a Frankenstein vehicle and the only filter that I could easily fit. I know it's not the best for it but it's still better than running nothing at all.

All the time wondering about those 50 years of selling junk? :)

If the filters all worked right, think of the unemployment line increase as machine shops went out of business. Bubbling vacuum reservoirs, Tornado Vortex Spin Air Intake Chargers, Tea leaves, Egg Yokes, The Black Magic Answer Ball...Shoot look at the signs for Fortune Tellers and Palm Readers outside even affluent towns. Diss any of them and prepare for war with the devout. Bigfoot, Area 7, Nessie, Black cats, ladders. The list is endless. "When friends, you belieeeeeeve, let no one take that away from you!" Science is evil. They want to usurp your belieeeeeef in the possible!

Meanwhile carry hand cleaner to wipe the finger test powder residue off throttle bodies left by K&N total air filtration. Better yet, go to a truck stop, run around and shout how stupid everyone is for not using a K&N rather than a hundred forty dollar pleated paper element. That otta wakem up.

I'd never touch a K&N oil filter, too many stories of them leaking around the nut and not sealing at the O-ring. I'm referring to K&N oil filters for bikes, but I wouldn't buy them for my car either.

But, like I said, I have had a K&N air filter for every bike I've ever owned, and that's been a ton, dating back to the late 60's. But also, like I said, I wouldn't put on on my Cummins turbo-diesel.

I had a K&N for several years.

Last time I pulled it off I shined a light down throttle body, and wiped a finger through an obvious trail through the dust on the 'clean' side of the filter.
When I held it upto the sun I saw pinholes of light shining through everywhere.

The K&N lovers either accused me of never cleaning and maintaining it, and others accused me of cleaning it with a wire brush.

Went back to paper, Engine still running, as if that means anything.

Hype. What is the easiest thing one can do themselves for a perceived "improvement", Change the filter.

When spending $$ on something the human wants to see a positive result. If one swears that a new air filter gives them more power and MPG, their Butt Dyno is deceiving them.

The extra flow, if it exists, is only going to be noticeable at higher rpms anyway.

When I went back to paper filters, my Butt dyno gave me that positive feel too. Lying Butt.

BTW their oil filters were once made in the USA. they are now made in Asia somewhere, their efficiency ratings and construction quality tanked.

But they still have that nut on the end, and the K&N name which means so much to so many, but the quality that once existed, flew the coop with the maximum profit, offshore everything, bandwagon.

Much better oil filters exist than K&N if one is paying a premium for an oil filter.

9erbike...

You must be correct. I am "gullible". I defer to your obvious air filtration expertise. I will
remove my 13 year old K&N immediately....and light
some candles in hopes that I have not ruined my engine. :o

Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Passion.

Charles

ps..link at bottom of same page..also, power and torque testing , MAF sensor testing.