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Bigdog
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Oct 30, 2014

LED tail lights.

I decided that I would try and change the tail lights on my Tradewinds over to LEDs and see if they are any brighter. I pulled the old bulb,got the number, Sylvania 3457 and headed for the rv store. Looked and looked and finally the counter guy found one package of Revolution 3157-280A and I checked and they were the replacement for the 3457s that I have. Took them home and installed one on one side and hit the flashers and wow, was it dim. Pulled it back out and checked the package again and way down at the bottom in very small letters it said, Porch light,color-amber.
Gonna be taking them back tomorrow and am wondering if there is any advantage to changing them out after all as the bulbs are really bright.. Also what would be the best ones to use. I did look at changing the whole units out,but those replacements are over $200 a pair and that's not worth it.

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  • Gdetrailer's avatar
    Gdetrailer
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    Oct 31, 2014
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    j-d wrote:
    YES. Bargman offers "LED Conversion Modules" and that was how I planned to go at first. Modules add up to more cost than all-new assemblies. Besides, I was having trouble with the Sockets as well as the Lamps, and the Assemblies hard-wire into the coach. Modules use the original Sockets...


    The first one that burned out I had to buy a "conversion" module since Bargman does not "offer" actual "replacement" modules for sale to the public. Simply CUT the "socket" adapter off and wire together.

    The downside of that is the conversion modules cost about $40 each, you can buy a complete double kit for $50???

    That silly socket adapter is not worth it to nearly pay double for in any case..

    But I really do recommend you buy spares so when they burn out while you are on a trip you can replace it.. You just are not going to find these modules at a Walmart or even at a gas station..
  • jmckelvy's avatar
    jmckelvy
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    Oct 31, 2014
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    cpaulsen wrote:
    They make all kinds of 3157 led bulbs....just make sure you get a bright one.


    Right. I even noticed them in the auto bulb section of a local Walmart today.
  • Lovedays's avatar
    Lovedays
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    Oct 31, 2014
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    I changed out mine with these too and have been very pleased with them.

    PFitt wrote:
    I replaced my tail lights with these, Much Brighter and very east to do. $30 bucks each.
    http://commandelectronics.com/product/surface-mount-led-tail-lights-upgrade-kits/

  • j-d's avatar
    j-d
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    Oct 30, 2014
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    YES. Bargman offers "LED Conversion Modules" and that was how I planned to go at first. Modules add up to more cost than all-new assemblies. Besides, I was having trouble with the Sockets as well as the Lamps, and the Assemblies hard-wire into the coach. Modules use the original Sockets...
  • Gdetrailer's avatar
    Gdetrailer
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    Oct 30, 2014
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    PatrickA51 wrote:
    j-d wrote:
    Beemerphile nailed it. Replace the assemblies or don't bother.

    I got this type here They look like this



    except I got the triples with backup lights. $50 each for the ones pictured and $60 each for the triples.

    And they are AWESOME!!!


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    beemerphile1 wrote:

    Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

    Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


    I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.


    X3
    I was going to do the same to my RV and decided on replacing the whole assembly.


    Better buy an extra module, I found out that they DO "burn out".

    While I do agree that the ones in the pix above are bright so far the longevity of mine is not so good.

    Put them on my trailer 7 yrs ago, so far two out of four modules have failed. One module the Stop/Turn LEDs failed but the running lights worked and the other one the running lights failed and the Stop/Turn still worked.

    We only spend two weeks camping/traveling per year so a 50% failure rate within the first 2-3yrs is a dismal record.

    I also found it is cheaper to buy the two module units to keep as spares, much cheaper cost than buying individual replacement modules..
  • MEXICOWANDERER's avatar
    MEXICOWANDERER
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    Oct 30, 2014
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    Yet another emphatic agreement.

    This is an area where Hocus Pocus claims of LED bulb vendors really gets unmasked in a hurry. Tail light vendors who claim to meet DOT specifications had better do so as this law still has teeth in it.

    Replacing incandescent fixtures with LED makes a huge difference in safety in my humble opinion. I can see it when I follow an RV. I attribute some of the brightening of lights to far less voltage drop. The strobe-like sharp flash of an LED tail light turn signal catches my eye better.
  • PFitt's avatar
    PFitt
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    Oct 30, 2014
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    I replaced my tail lights with these, Much Brighter and very east to do. $30 bucks each.
    http://commandelectronics.com/product/surface-mount-led-tail-lights-upgrade-kits/

  • VintageRacer's avatar
    VintageRacer
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    Oct 30, 2014
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    While the replacement LED bulbs are available, your fixtures are only DOT legal with the original design incandescent bulb installed. That is due to the reflection pattern and lens colour and pattern being approved with that type of bulb. Your call, but I always install complete fixtures if at all possible.

    Brian
  • PatrickA51's avatar
    PatrickA51
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    Oct 30, 2014
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    j-d wrote:
    Beemerphile nailed it. Replace the assemblies or don't bother.

    I got this type here They look like this



    except I got the triples with backup lights. $50 each for the ones pictured and $60 each for the triples.

    And they are AWESOME!!!


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    beemerphile1 wrote:

    Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

    Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


    I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.


    X3
    I was going to do the same to my RV and decided on replacing the whole assembly.
  • bg71361's avatar
    bg71361
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    beemerphile1 wrote:
    Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

    Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


    I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.

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j-d wrote:
YES. Bargman offers \"LED Conversion Modules\" and that was how I planned to go at first. Modules add up to more cost than all-new assemblies. Besides, I was having trouble with the Sockets as well as the Lamps, and the Assemblies hard-wire into the coach. Modules use the original Sockets...


The first one that burned out I had to buy a \"conversion\" module since Bargman does not \"offer\" actual \"replacement\" modules for sale to the public. Simply CUT the \"socket\" adapter off and wire together.

The downside of that is the conversion modules cost about $40 each, you can buy a complete double kit for $50???

That silly socket adapter is not worth it to nearly pay double for in any case..

But I really do recommend you buy spares so when they burn out while you are on a trip you can replace it.. You just are not going to find these modules at a Walmart or even at a gas station..","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T19:14:22.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T19:14:22.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":532},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1434361/message:1434374","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"966","rawBody":"
j-d wrote:
YES. Bargman offers \"LED Conversion Modules\" and that was how I planned to go at first. Modules add up to more cost than all-new assemblies. Besides, I was having trouble with the Sockets as well as the Lamps, and the Assemblies hard-wire into the coach. Modules use the original Sockets...


The first one that burned out I had to buy a \"conversion\" module since Bargman does not \"offer\" actual \"replacement\" modules for sale to the public. Simply CUT the \"socket\" adapter off and wire together.

The downside of that is the conversion modules cost about $40 each, you can buy a complete double kit for $50???

That silly socket adapter is not worth it to nearly pay double for in any case..

But I really do recommend you buy spares so when they burn out while you are on a trip you can replace it.. You just are not going to find these modules at a Walmart or even at a gas station..","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1434374_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:2424":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2424","uid":2424,"login":"jmckelvy","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-07-25T19:36:28.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2424"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434373":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1434373","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1434373":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2424"},"id":"message:1434373","revisionNum":1,"uid":1434373,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1434361"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1434361"},"subject":"Re: LED tail lights.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434373"},"body":"
cpaulsen wrote:
They make all kinds of 3157 led bulbs....just make sure you get a bright one.


Right. I even noticed them in the auto bulb section of a local Walmart today.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"178","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T18:51:34.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T18:51:34.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":531},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1434361/message:1434373","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"213","rawBody":"
cpaulsen wrote:
They make all kinds of 3157 led bulbs....just make sure you get a bright one.


Right. I even noticed them in the auto bulb section of a local Walmart today.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1434373_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:290720":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:290720","uid":290720,"login":"Lovedays","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-07-23T13:18:56.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:290720"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434372":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1434372","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1434372":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:290720"},"id":"message:1434372","revisionNum":1,"uid":1434372,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1434361"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1434361"},"subject":"Re: LED tail lights.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434372"},"body":"I changed out mine with these too and have been very pleased with them.

PFitt wrote:
I replaced my tail lights with these, Much Brighter and very east to do. $30 bucks each.
http://commandelectronics.com/product/surface-mount-led-tail-lights-upgrade-kits/

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PFitt wrote:
I replaced my tail lights with these, Much Brighter and very east to do. $30 bucks each.
http://commandelectronics.com/product/surface-mount-led-tail-lights-upgrade-kits/

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PatrickA51 wrote:
j-d wrote:
Beemerphile nailed it. Replace the assemblies or don't bother.

I got this type here They look like this



except I got the triples with backup lights. $50 each for the ones pictured and $60 each for the triples.

And they are AWESOME!!!


Posted By wrote:


beemerphile1 wrote:

Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.


X3
I was going to do the same to my RV and decided on replacing the whole assembly.


Better buy an extra module, I found out that they DO \"burn out\".

While I do agree that the ones in the pix above are bright so far the longevity of mine is not so good.

Put them on my trailer 7 yrs ago, so far two out of four modules have failed. One module the Stop/Turn LEDs failed but the running lights worked and the other one the running lights failed and the Stop/Turn still worked.

We only spend two weeks camping/traveling per year so a 50% failure rate within the first 2-3yrs is a dismal record.

I also found it is cheaper to buy the two module units to keep as spares, much cheaper cost than buying individual replacement modules..","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T14:32:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T14:32:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":530},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1434361/message:1434370","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2010","rawBody":"
PatrickA51 wrote:
j-d wrote:
Beemerphile nailed it. Replace the assemblies or don't bother.

I got this type here They look like this



except I got the triples with backup lights. $50 each for the ones pictured and $60 each for the triples.

And they are AWESOME!!!


Posted By wrote:


beemerphile1 wrote:

Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.


X3
I was going to do the same to my RV and decided on replacing the whole assembly.


Better buy an extra module, I found out that they DO \"burn out\".

While I do agree that the ones in the pix above are bright so far the longevity of mine is not so good.

Put them on my trailer 7 yrs ago, so far two out of four modules have failed. One module the Stop/Turn LEDs failed but the running lights worked and the other one the running lights failed and the Stop/Turn still worked.

We only spend two weeks camping/traveling per year so a 50% failure rate within the first 2-3yrs is a dismal record.

I also found it is cheaper to buy the two module units to keep as spares, much cheaper cost than buying individual replacement modules..","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1434370_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:393358":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:393358","uid":393358,"login":"MEXICOWANDERER","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-06-01T11:03:53.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:393358"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434369":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1434369","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1434369":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:393358"},"id":"message:1434369","revisionNum":1,"uid":1434369,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1434361"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1434361"},"subject":"Re: LED tail lights.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434369"},"body":"Yet another emphatic agreement.

This is an area where Hocus Pocus claims of LED bulb vendors really gets unmasked in a hurry. Tail light vendors who claim to meet DOT specifications had better do so as this law still has teeth in it.

Replacing incandescent fixtures with LED makes a huge difference in safety in my humble opinion. I can see it when I follow an RV. I attribute some of the brightening of lights to far less voltage drop. The strobe-like sharp flash of an LED tail light turn signal catches my eye better.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T08:36:59.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T08:36:59.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":531},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1434361/message:1434369","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"542","rawBody":"Yet another emphatic agreement.

This is an area where Hocus Pocus claims of LED bulb vendors really gets unmasked in a hurry. Tail light vendors who claim to meet DOT specifications had better do so as this law still has teeth in it.

Replacing incandescent fixtures with LED makes a huge difference in safety in my humble opinion. I can see it when I follow an RV. I attribute some of the brightening of lights to far less voltage drop. The strobe-like sharp flash of an LED tail light turn signal catches my eye better.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1434369_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:261525":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:261525","uid":261525,"login":"PFitt","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-06-24T04:27:58.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:261525"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434368":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1434368","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1434368":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:261525"},"id":"message:1434368","revisionNum":1,"uid":1434368,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1434361"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1434361"},"subject":"Re: LED tail lights.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1434368"},"body":"I replaced my tail lights with these, Much Brighter and very east to do. $30 bucks each.
http://commandelectronics.com/product/surface-mount-led-tail-lights-upgrade-kits/

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http://commandelectronics.com/product/surface-mount-led-tail-lights-upgrade-kits/

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j-d wrote:
Beemerphile nailed it. Replace the assemblies or don't bother.

I got this type here They look like this



except I got the triples with backup lights. $50 each for the ones pictured and $60 each for the triples.

And they are AWESOME!!!


Posted By wrote:


beemerphile1 wrote:

Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.


X3
I was going to do the same to my RV and decided on replacing the whole assembly.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T06:43:11.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T06:43:11.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":532},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1434361/message:1434366","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1263","rawBody":"
j-d wrote:
Beemerphile nailed it. Replace the assemblies or don't bother.

I got this type here They look like this



except I got the triples with backup lights. $50 each for the ones pictured and $60 each for the triples.

And they are AWESOME!!!


Posted By wrote:


beemerphile1 wrote:

Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.


X3
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beemerphile1 wrote:
Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. Go for a LED designed fixture.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T06:25:09.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T06:25:09.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":533},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:1434361/message:1434365","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"494","rawBody":"
beemerphile1 wrote:
Replacing only the tail lamp with an LED will most always disappoint. You should replace the entire fixture with an LED fixture.

Your original lamp was 402 lumen and 38 lumen. For an LED to be brighter it has to beat these measurements plus be properly designed to work in a reflector type fixture.


I also agree with this! I tried the bulb replacement route and was very very disappointed. 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