Lithium Storage Battery Shelf Life ?

Recycling smaller lithium batteries.

Batteries thrown in trash could possibly start trash trucks on fire.
https://www.americandisposal.com/blog/lithium-ion-batteries


Lowes recycles

I guess when the big batteries die and no recycling place wants them put them by the street with a free sign...someone will take them.:W

Lessee.

Testlas are EXPENSIVE

Tesla owners therefore have LOTS of money

Tesla owners are no harder to kidnap that owners of 1970 Ford pickup
Tesla owners are no harder to rob than owners of 1970 Ford pickup

Tesla charging stations have no armed guards and even if they did, down here an armed guard would send out a general alert and there would be gunfire between gangs to see who gets there first. A thousand peso banknote has no conscious.

Now take a guess. How many feet would this car make it into Mexico before five rival gangs war to see the top dog drive away in it?

Almot wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

Consider taking them (like any battery) to a recycling centre for proper disposal.

Unlike wet or AGM, Li batts are not recycled. The process of materials recovery is not financially sustainable, too labor-intensive. If some center will take it, it will still end up in landfill - but consumer would feel better. Like going to church on Sundays. You believe, so you're happy.

Lithium ion batteries do get recycled, but not as you think.

A recycling center does basic tests on the batteries, cleans up the connections and puts them into dollar store power banks. There's videos of the process on uTube.

This is where the recycle your cell phone bins go too.

John & Angela wrote:

Consider taking them (like any battery) to a recycling centre for proper disposal.

Unlike wet or AGM, Li batts are not recycled. The process of materials recovery is not financially sustainable, too labor-intensive. If some center will take it, it will still end up in landfill - but consumer would feel better. Like going to church on Sundays. You believe, so you're happy.

Tesla supercharger coming soon to Morelia. Connecting chargers would put you in Texas. Maybe another year (or two) when the Model 3 is actually available you could have a line to CA.

Supercharger Map

Electric for short distances. I like the projected battery total lifespan. But outside of highly developed areas a person would be royally screwed. As long as the battery maintenance program controls the system I would have a difficult time coming up with an intelligent alternative for distances up to 100 miles from ground zero. Home. Spending a half hour twiddling my, er, fingers, for a freshening charge on a 200 mile excursion would (test) my patience. Until I moved 500 miles closer to the border, a 400 mile round trip monthly to purchase pesos, and medicines and groceries was SOP. I would leave at dawn and return at dusk. Jeezo I cen't even dawn and sunset it, here because of the border wait. To add an hour or so to recharge would mean "driving at night in Mexico". "Pass the used dinosaurs, please".

FLYING: Tijuana to Zihuatanejo round-trip - $2100 US Dollars plus a 5 hour layover in Mexico City. I would rather drive. From the airport to the house is a 5 hour round trip.

Different strokes. People living in Manhattan shrink from the idea of paying four hundred dollars for a parking space then ten dollars coming and going for a taxi ride. My toad "comfortable range" is 330 miles then a ten minute gasoline stop. Think USA utility companies are not going to adjust power rates? Hahahaha you funny, GI.

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
If I had to do it in a electric car I would have pitched myself off the first overpass.

Yes you need 250+ mile EV to make reasonable long distance travel.

Many would just fly from SF to MX as even a nice SUV for two+ long days would send them over the edge.

For a real hobbyist with time to plan and charge you could probably make the trip for nearly free compared to gasoline.

When I departed the Bay-Arhhia, for the border, 500 miles was a minimum as I considered the restaurants (excepting the Harris Ranch) to be slightly poisonous.

One 10 minute fuel up, a dash to the men's room and awaaaaay...

Next fuel stop, San Diego.

Destination was a 12 hour trip (inside Mexico).

If I had to do it in a electric car I would have pitched myself off the first overpass.

Linda Rheostat's* boyfriend has been imbibing in too much Wacky Weed when he declared a set date for all vehicles in the People's Republic to be electric powered. Maybe it's genetic, his governor father was insane as well. Maybe he'll try and force 747's and F45 fighter planes to fit catalytic converters...

* Brings a whole new meaning to her song "Blew By You"

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
In a round-about way I am gathering info. As usual I ignore published specs and instead seek real life scenarios:

Here's One

A family of four with luggage leaves Sacramento at 0500 bound for Los Angeles (around 400-miles). How many refills will it take and what time penalty for en route recharging is involved? Compare it to say a new SUV, both driven when legal at 70 mph?

That’s a toughy. Which car. So let’s say a 2018 Nissan Leaf with about 150 miles of range. So let’s dual it back a bit and say 120. I don’t know about how much time you would add as most likely you would stop for lunch or breaks anyway, but let’s say three x 40 minute charge times. So I would say two to 3 hours of charging depending on conditions. Now if an hour of that time you would be stopped and eating or having a break anyway then I would add two hours to your trip.

If it is a Bolt with 220 miles of range I would say add an hour and a half. If it was a Tesla 90 or 100 With around 300 miles of range I would say add an hour. Tesla’s have higher recharge rates although many of the current crop of 2018 EV’s have higher rates as well both fir Chademo and CCS.

Since you like real world, for us going to the lower mainland from Vernon (about 450 kilometres) in our 2016 30 KWh Leaf, it takes us an extra hour than what it used to but we charge three times to do it. Once for 10 minutes and twice for 25 minutes. This is not something we would do very often and our car is probably not the right car for this kind of trip. Better to get a new Leaf or Bolt or Tesla with bigger battery.

In a round-about way I am gathering info. As usual I ignore published specs and instead seek real life scenarios:

Here's One

A family of four with luggage leaves Sacramento at 0500 bound for Los Angeles (around 400-miles). How many refills will it take and what time penalty for en route recharging is involved? Compare it to say a new SUV, both driven when legal at 70 mph?