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Almot
Explorer III
Jan 10, 2015

Self-bubbling Dicor

Last year used Geocel Advanced RV EPDM roof sealant to install solar panel brackets. No problems.

This year brought the renowned self-leveling Dicor roof sealant. It's a little less dense than Geocel, so, naturally, it conforms to horizont-ish level of surface better - this is what's behind big words. I don't mind less dense. But it is also bubbling next day. Photos attached. On the bracket you see "drops" in front - they are bubbles, I feel softer matter under the skin. And another bubble at the left corner.

Another photo is oval plate covering the removed TV mushroom antenna, see bubbles along the left edge. There are more of those - it is bubbling everywhere where there is more than 1/16" coat.

First bracket is on the clean roof, washed thoroughly with dishwashing liquid, then water, then methanol alcohol, then few times "stripping" with Scotch tape - like "waxing" :), this tape picks loose paint and everything else.
TV plate was re-coated over last year Geocel, cleaned with alcohol.

Everything was done just like with Geocel last year.

The temperature was 18C/68F at the time of application yesterday at noon, and same today when it's bubbling.

My guess is that it cures very slowly, and softer matter under the skin releases fumes and/or expanding on a warm roof while curing.
On both items I did my "wet finger" trick for cleaner edge, don't know if this matters. To Geocel it didn't.




19 Replies

  • Dicor takes a long time to cure totally. Go have a look in about a month and you will be surprised at how much it has tightened up. I have used alcohol to clean area, mineral spirits/ paint thinner/ varsol to wet finger & tool with no problems at all. Try to buy Dicor from dealer that sells lots of it tho. I got a tube of " self leveling" once that must have been old, because it behaved like "non sag" when i applied it, and stayed blobby instead leveling its self. I use non sag between roof & object to seal, then self leveling on top for screws heads and edges etc.
  • did you read all the fine print on the tube? I had a prob once and called decor and they embarrassed me about taking the allknowing dealers word?
  • Paint thinner is a generic term for mineral spirits which should work well.

    I use acetone.
  • Almot's avatar
    Almot
    Explorer III
    Guys, I'm grateful for any answers. Just trying to provide all the details.

    Mineral spirit - alright. Nobody heard of any "spirit" here where I am, other than "Espiritu Santo" - Saint Spirit. All the sources like Wiki are telling that paint thinner is the same, only smellier because less refined. Can I use it?

    About incompatibility of methyl alcohol and Dicor - what puzzles me is that the same bubbling occurs on the painted bracket on screw heads - first photo. Less obvious, because the heads itself are bulging. The bracket was painted with oil paint Rustoleum the day before, - and cleaned with alcohol before painting, yes. No alcohol after painting. Oh, c'mon. Alcohol evaporates from aluminum in a mater of minutes, it doesn't react with metal.

    Too thin Dicor - maybe. There is Dicor under the bracket on the first photo, and in all the screw holes, so the thickness of the bead on outside perimeter doesn't matter much. That bead was formed by Dicor pushed from under the bracket when I tightened the screws. I understand that a thick layer would stand to elements longer, but this doesn't worry me at the moment. The bubbling mostly occurs where the bead is thick, anyway.
  • 3oaks wrote:
    I believe WyoTraveler and Nutinelse2do gave you the right answers, but you do not want to accept them. I also think that you are trying to apply or spread the Dicor sealant too thin.


    I saw it was very thin but didn't mention that. Probably should have. Thanks for bringing up that issue also.
  • I believe WyoTraveler and Nutinelse2do gave you the right answers, but you do not want to accept them. I also think that you are trying to apply or spread the Dicor sealant too thin.
  • Almot's avatar
    Almot
    Explorer III
    Geocel worked fine with alcohol prep and wet finger. Should've stayed with it. Alcohol is easier to work with, it evaporates slower and stinks less And, - I did let it evaporate before applying Dicor.

    Ok, will paint thinner do as mineral spirit then? This the closest that I can get to, in rural Mexico.

    Won't do wet finger next time. Btw, Dicor is not THAT self-leveling to produce same results that wet finger does. It just flows easier than a typical urethane caulk (or Geocell). You put Dicor thick and ugly, in waves - and it will remain that way.
  • I agree, it is probably because of the alcohol. Mineral spirits are supposed to be used to clean any areas that need to be resealed. We have used MS many times with no issues.
  • Cleaned areas of my roof with mineral spirits not alcohol. (some sealants react to alcohol, not sure about Dicor) Let it evaporate then applied Dicor self leveling. Did not use fingers to rub since it is self leveling. I had no bubbles.

    I would call Dicor. It should not bubble.

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