14,000 off

this thread is a good example that even with true car, KBB, Edmunds, GM supplier, Ford X plan and ten other car buying sites out there most don't understand the true price of a new vehicle.

I bought my last two Super Duties during a similar time. The 2011 was listed as $11,000 off MSRP so I worked with that and we went back and forth over the trade-in amount.

This last truck was listed as $12,000 off MSRP. I drove 3 hours to get it because it was the closest one that was like I wanted. I paid them exactly the $12,000 off MSRP.

I was happy and obviously, so were they. If they made a dollar or $10,000, who cares because this buyer was happy.

Shhhh...Stop pointing out how to get the "best" deals on new trucks!!....I appreciate all the folks who overpay for their new trucks, and then turn around and trade them in or sell them to get out from under the payments, or have so much cash laying around they buy/lease a new truck every year.

It leaves a great selection of low mileage used trucks for me to choose from, and the real best deal out there, which is a Certified Pre-Owned vehicle.

People pay MSRP every day. It always surprised me. Not many in these days of the net, but more than you would think. Back in the day it was a lot.

The last Super Duty I bought (and maybe the final one) , i dealt in out the door prices, not all that book cooking stuff.

Did the wife's Toyota the same way. OTD is the bottom line, not all that touchy feely stuff. :R

Funny how the dealer will start at MSRP, then subtract the rebates plus a little more to give you a "discount" price. That is the actual price your paying, so it's not a bad deal, BUT, the way it should work is; arrive at a price, THEN take off the rebate. Now that would be a good deal. Never happens that way though, most buyers put the rebates on the down payment.

This is simply not true. For one if the dealer sells enough vehicles close to the MSRP they can afford to sell a couple at a small loss. The biggest reason is do to manufacturers dealer incentives. Manufacturers give incentives to dealers for selling a certain number of trucks in a given month. If the dealer needs to sell a couple more trucks that month to get the incentive they will sell them at a small loss. The incentive more than makes up for it. That is one of the reasons it pays to shop around and also why some of the best deals can be had the last couple days of the month. It doesn't always happen, but it most certainly does happen.

Chuck_thehammer wrote:
No one sales a New truck at a LOSS.

they can always sell it to another dealer for invoice.

I was well under invoice on my last vehicle purchase. It was a built to order, so I placed a few "want ads" online through local dealerships. First one that responded with a close to invoice I emailed back with a real low ball offer. They responded with a decent price. Back and forth again and a great price.

Never mentioned a trade and was never asked.

2 months later and my Jeep arrives. While signing the paper work, I ask if they want to "buy my old Jeep". After a good 30-45 minutes of them looking it over they come back and give me a price. Same price that CarMax had given me the weekend before and the 14 day guarantee price nicely printed out on a piece of paper.

Do you know how easy it is to scan something, manipulate a few numbers and reprint it?

"That number is a little low", pull out folded piece of paper. "This is what I was offered last week." My sale to the dealer went up, a bunch!

Thunderbolt wrote:
This is simply not true. For one if the dealer sells enough vehicles close to the MSRP they can afford to sell a couple at a small loss. The biggest reason is do to manufacturers dealer incentives. Manufacturers give incentives to dealers for selling a certain number of trucks in a given month. If the dealer needs to sell a couple more trucks that month to get the incentive they will sell them at a small loss. The incentive more than makes up for it. That is one of the reasons it pays to shop around and also why some of the best deals can be had the last couple days of the month. It doesn't always happen, but it most certainly does happen.

Chuck_thehammer wrote:
No one sales a New truck at a LOSS.

they can always sell it to another dealer for invoice.

Then they are not selling at a loss. Only the dealer knows what their cost will be on that vehicle.

:) Hi, I got a decent discount on my new truck, but more importantly, I got exactly what I wanted. Some of the super discounts are on odd ball vehicles that the dealer wants to get rid of. People have gotten better prices than me, but in the long run paid way more. They financed, I didn't. They traded in, I didn't. They bought useless options, I didn't. They paid for PDI, wax, scotch guard, Etc. I didn't.

You can wheel and deal for months and one day later someone will get a better deal than you.