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Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Running change= expensive which=
We f@%*#! up the first time so we will now go back to the tried and true design.........STEEL.
Couldn't be because of problems like this, could it? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Plastic is great to use on an engine. Just ask owners of GM intake manifolds. :B
Shame on them for trying a new technology that had potential to save money at the same time producing a stronger part. For shame...for shame. Then, to add insult to injury, they realized it wasn't working out and switched back. I can't believe a company would do that. :R- I wonder if we will see any mpg increases on the 15 trucks ?
720Deere wrote:
You seem pretty fond of doing your internet research. Ford parts prices are posted all over the net.
I know you are very well informed and I don't need to tell you this, but the valves weren't "switched out in 15". The valves that they had trouble with were early job 1 2011 trucks.
Why yes I am, thank you very much.From the 2009 Innovation Awards wrote:
As a matter of a fact a member here must have a real good crystal ball. Man, I'll give it to him, he hit it right on the nose looooooooongggggggggggg before it even happened. Look at his post:Huntindog wrote:
This has been discussed before, and the following was given as Fords reasoning for the plastic oil pan.
The oil or sump pan on the 6.7 is manufactired from a Dupont 6/6 Nylon/Aluminium composite. It is said to be lighter, STRONGER, and less costly to manufacture than the aluminium only pans.
My concern is long term durability of the plastic pan.
Plastic degrades faster than metal over time. This process is accelerated with heat.
Oil pans rusting out became a problem when auto makers started using thinner, lighter less costly steel to make them.
Notice the similarities in the two highlighted statements? The auto makers like to focus on the lighter aspects of these designs,,,,but just how much weight savings does this gain? IMO, not much. They are more concerned about the bottom line. If they save a small amount, even only a dollar on a part, that dollar goes directly to profit. The consumer is the loser.
I can assure you that Ford is NOT using the same high tech very exspensive composites used in our nations best defense airplanes
I think that this is a primarily cost savings move by Ford. This plastic pan will likely perform well for Ford in the relatively short time that they have to warranty it.. I doubt that will be true long term.
OTOH...The Dmax uses a more costly aluminum oil pan. NO rusting out, and excellent long term durability
Funny thing is he posted this on 11/26/2011. Again, my hat is off to Huntindog for the crystal ball of the year award. Have any lotto numbers you can give me Huntindog? :B
About the valves: FMC disagrees with you.
Here is Fords own TSB:Ford wrote:
Some 2011-2013 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with a 6.7L.............Bla, bla, bla, yada, yada, yada............
Try again, this is fun! :B- Maybe they get some cheaper better connecting rods also? Chris
- You seem pretty fond of doing your internet research. Ford parts prices are posted all over the net.
I know you are very well informed and I don't need to tell you this, but the valves weren't "switched out in 15". The valves that they had trouble with were early job 1 2011 trucks. - So Ford first used pans that cost 3 times as much as steel pans? :h LOL, sure, I believe that! Wait, wait, wait, I bet the new valves that don't fall into the cylinder is cheaper also and that's why they switched them out in 15!
Why would they do such a bone head thing? :S Just think, if they did that with all their parts they would have to sell their pickup for about $150,000.00 a piece!!!
BTW please put up a "Ford" link that shows what you say about the pan cost. - delete
- Maybe it has a little more to do with the fact that plastic pan costs $92 and the stamped steel pan costs $29! Yeah that's right, we screwed up so lets use this much cheaper product because the more expensive product didn't work out. Your last link is the quote of yet another highly educated friend of a friend conjured up to be evidence to support your own prejudice.
- Running change= expensive which=
We f@%*#! up the first time so we will now go back to the tried and true design.........STEEL.
Couldn't be because of problems like this, could it? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Plastic is great to use on an engine. Just ask owners of GM intake manifolds. :B - There is nothing factual about that video. Ford did not retrofit or replace the plastic oil pans on the 2011 trucks. The switch to steel was a running change used on new trucks. If a person is so scared of the plastic oil pan that they want to spend their own money to replace, Ford will gladly sell them a steel pan.
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