Forum Discussion
- Back when I was researching my current truck choice, I was on all 3 of the brands boards. And for some time after that for the entertainment.
The Ford fans have some that are fanactical in their loyalty.. GM fans seem more middle of the road. The Dodge guys were very realistic about their brand, which was woefully behind the other two back then. I really liked a lot of them, and am glad that they now have a competitive product.. ford truck guy wrote:
ksss wrote:
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OK you win, it is a piece of shiitt as well. I refuse to be cornered into standing up for FORD.
that will never end... as long as Ford is in business
When your #1 it just makes you a bigger target.ksss wrote:
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OK you win, it is a piece of shiitt as well. I refuse to be cornered into standing up for FORD.
that will never end... as long as Ford is in businessksss wrote:
GM I am sure does not want to cover those claims over the fuel injection systems but they do, they cant afford not to.
Unfortunately for GM if they don't turn the current sales trend around they won't have too many claims to worry about paying.
Sales down---claims down:(
They along with Ford and FMC make most their profits on trucks so they "need" to get those sales up.
Here is link to Canadian sales numbers..Clik on the header in first column to put in order of rank..
Canadian sales numbers- OK you win, it is a piece of shiitt as well. I refuse to be cornered into standing up for FORD.
- So you have not heard or read about dropped valves, windowed blocks, or lunched turbo's? Chris
Me Again wrote:
ksss wrote:
MY DISCLAIMER (I think the 6.7 is a much better product than either the 6.0 or 6.4 but looks like it still has some teething issues but not nearly the horror show the other two diesels engines have been).
10-12K to rebuild the fuel system on your own dime I would say is a horror story. Chris
I would agree it is if it happens to you, however I don't think that the overall failure rate of the 6.7 is equal to either the 6.0 or 6.4. I could be wrong, I obviously don't have any data. It is just a seat of the pants feel for what I see and hear about the 6.7. There was no doubt the 6.0 was ****, I heard about the failures immediately and it never stopped, not so much with the 6.7.ksss wrote:
BurbMan wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm beginning to figure out how they sell these trucks and who they sell them too. :B LOL
Boy that really puts a fine point on the discussion....had coffee coming out of my nose when I read that! LOL!!! Definitely in the "It's only funny because it's true" category...
Think about it, the 6.0 came out in 2003, so Ford is now 10 years later still trying to market a reliable diesel. All motors and vehicles need repairs, but some of the repair bills on these Fords are off the charts!! Combined with the V-10 sparkplug FUBAR, their powertrain engineering team needs a re-org....
The powertrain team at Ford may have dropped the ball since 03. However the Ford marketing group has more than made up for the their pickup's short comings. I would guess the peak of the diesel pickup market started around 1999 give or take. The Ford PS 7.3 was an exceptional powerplant. Even going back to the NA 6.9 and 7.3, they were strong motors for their time. They created a lot of good will during the glory years (thanks to poor offerings from GM and Dodge). Ford since has largely failed to produce a pickup that was equal to the completion since the 6.0. Yet Ford marketing has been successful in creating incredible brand loyalty even though they built the worst product on the market. Anyone know why Ford has been so ignorant on their warranty claims for the 6.7? It's because they can! They have built arguably the worse diesel engine line in the last 10 years and yet they still own the diesel pickup market. GM I am sure does not want to cover those claims over the fuel injection systems but they do, they cant afford not to.
GM and Dodge could not have released the product that Ford has over the last 10 years and survive. No way in hell. Ford excels because they have built a level of brand loyalty with their customers that defies even the worst of products. I would put Ford's customer loyalty right there with John Deere Ag equipment and CAT heavy equipment for brand loyalty. I have read and know guys that threw good money after bad into their 6.0 and 6.4 engines and thanked FORD for their due diligence by buying a 6.7. While some have left the flock, enough stay the course to keep Ford on top of the marketshare leader board.
Regardless if your a Ford fan or not, it is impressive. GM or Ram certainly would love to have the same type of product loyalty.
MY DISCLAIMER (I think the 6.7 is a much better product than either the 6.0 or 6.4 but looks like it still has some teething issues but not nearly the horror show the other two diesels engines have been).
I must sadly concur and I admit to being a former member of the Blind Blue KoolAid Drinkers and Distributors Organization...:o:o:o
it is an eyeopening and life changing experience to be abruptly awakened to the true colors of the Shameful Blue Oval...I would not wish that terrifying experience on anybody...and though some here will deny it, it can happen to anyone...
Regards- I'm not a brand loyalist by any means....I just had to re-do all the brake and fuel lines on my truck because GM saved $.05 by not using stainless or at least coated steel. When it comes time buy a new truck I will certainly look at Ford along with GM and Ram, but right now I am not inclined to buy one of their diesels....
ksss wrote:
MY DISCLAIMER (I think the 6.7 is a much better product than either the 6.0 or 6.4 but looks like it still has some teething issues but not nearly the horror show the other two diesels engines have been).
10-12K to rebuild the fuel system on your own dime I would say is a horror story. Chris
