2015 powerstroke 440hp/860tq

I would give up 100 lb ft of torque to get an extra 4-5 MPG. As long as it will pull the trailer anything extra is wasted and becomes a matter of bragging rights for boys with their toys. I am paying $4 a gallon for diesel and it will probably be at $10 a gallon before my current truck reaches 200,000 miles.

I know Ricatic has a reason for bashing Ford now but I believe every brand out there has had some sort of problem they did not take care of. Mine was in the 80's with a new 6.2 from GM in a Snap On Tool truck that would blow at about every 20K miles. First heads then pistons then crankshaft. This was a well known problem back then in this type of van and a bunch of trucks. GM hung me out to dry big time. Did I scream? You bet I did. Did I call every GM owner a bowtie koolaid drinker? NO! Sometimes the bashing on this forum is a little too much from some posters and gets a little out of hand. Before anyone wants to bash me for this post, yes I am guilty of bashing another brand once or twice but after you get so tired of folks bashing what you drive sometimes you just have to give a little back. I have promised myself I will never do it again as I don't want to sink to that level again.

ricatic wrote:

DSteiner51 wrote:
I rest my case. Thanks for proving my point.

...you rest your case on what...ignorance of the facts even after they have been re-explained to you...wishing more bad things to happen to me is just plain childish...and name calling is even worse

Regards

I did no name calling and the pendulum was totally swung one way and now the other. It is an unusual pendulum that doesn't swing back again. If I remember correctly you are calling people Koolaide drinkers. Flapping your gums to always have the last word like you do here at both ends of the pendulum swing most likely didn't help with the dealer or Ford. I'll sit back and wait and see...... Good day!

4x4ord wrote:

ricatic wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Ric I've often wondered what you think of the 6.7 engine.

IOW's lets say the HPFP did not blow in your engine. I know you had other problems with the engine. Mostly PITA stuff if I remember correctly? But quite a few items also?

What kind of a rating would you give "your" first gen 6.7 engine?

Because you're on the boards a lot my next question would be what kind of rating would you give "the" first gen 6.7 engine?

my rating of the Ford 6.7 would be "not enough time on it to endorse it as completely viable"...I had many issues with mine...fan clutch, NOX sensors, a failed fuel injector and then the biggie...all but the biggie were fixed under warranty...I was already becoming a bit discouraged before the HPFP failure...

I do believe Ford has very quietly went about fixing the HPFP issue...there have been several part number changes as they continued researching and upgrading the pump to operate on the poor quality fuel available in the USA...Good for the owners of the later incarnations of the pump...still need to hold your breath if you have a 2011 or early 2012...

Is it a better choice than a 6.0 or 6.4 Ford...maybe...as long as you are fortunate enough to stay out of the small percentage of buyers who have had HPFP failures...but Ford could have eliminated the whole issue as a malingering problem by doing as GM has done and fixed the pumps under warranty...they still are the only manufacturer using Bosch CP4.xx series HPFP's that does not follow that path...

Regards

It seems to me that if the early 6.7 had faulty pumps, as time goes on and more miles are put on 2011s the rate of failure would be increasing. Because I see these 6.7s all over the road and have yet to run across anyone who has had a problem I can't help but wonder whether there wasn't some early production trucks that were fitted with pumps that were destined for destruction in the first few thousand miles. If they didn't fail by 20,000 miles maybe the risk of a pump failure actually drops off?

Your point is well taken...but there have been more than just a few failures. Consumer awareness of the fragility of the pump when exposed to US spec fuel and the poor performance of the fuel filtering system has caused many owners to use additives, increase the frequency of water separator maintenance and increased vigilance over their maintenance overall...

For the record, my pump failed at 35000 miles. It self destructed internally. No evidence of water ingestion was found in the secondary filter or the pump itself..it just failed...and Ford could have been a standup company and fixed it under warranty...didn't happen and that's why the debate continues...

Regards

ricatic wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Ric I've often wondered what you think of the 6.7 engine.

IOW's lets say the HPFP did not blow in your engine. I know you had other problems with the engine. Mostly PITA stuff if I remember correctly? But quite a few items also?

What kind of a rating would you give "your" first gen 6.7 engine?

Because you're on the boards a lot my next question would be what kind of rating would you give "the" first gen 6.7 engine?

my rating of the Ford 6.7 would be "not enough time on it to endorse it as completely viable"...I had many issues with mine...fan clutch, NOX sensors, a failed fuel injector and then the biggie...all but the biggie were fixed under warranty...I was already becoming a bit discouraged before the HPFP failure...

I do believe Ford has very quietly went about fixing the HPFP issue...there have been several part number changes as they continued researching and upgrading the pump to operate on the poor quality fuel available in the USA...Good for the owners of the later incarnations of the pump...still need to hold your breath if you have a 2011 or early 2012...

Is it a better choice than a 6.0 or 6.4 Ford...maybe...as long as you are fortunate enough to stay out of the small percentage of buyers who have had HPFP failures...but Ford could have eliminated the whole issue as a malingering problem by doing as GM has done and fixed the pumps under warranty...they still are the only manufacturer using Bosch CP4.xx series HPFP's that does not follow that path...

Regards

It seems to me that if the early 6.7 had faulty pumps, as time goes on and more miles are put on 2011s the rate of failure would be increasing. Because I see these 6.7s all over the road and have yet to run across anyone who has had a problem I can't help but wonder whether there wasn't some early production trucks that were fitted with pumps that were destined for destruction in the first few thousand miles. If they didn't fail by 20,000 miles maybe the risk of a pump failure actually drops off?

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Ric I've often wondered what you think of the 6.7 engine.

IOW's lets say the HPFP did not blow in your engine. I know you had other problems with the engine. Mostly PITA stuff if I remember correctly? But quite a few items also?

What kind of a rating would you give "your" first gen 6.7 engine?

Because you're on the boards a lot my next question would be what kind of rating would you give "the" first gen 6.7 engine?

my rating of the Ford 6.7 would be "not enough time on it to endorse it as completely viable"...I had many issues with mine...fan clutch, NOX sensors, a failed fuel injector and then the biggie...all but the biggie were fixed under warranty...I was already becoming a bit discouraged before the HPFP failure...

I do believe Ford has very quietly went about fixing the HPFP issue...there have been several part number changes as they continued researching and upgrading the pump to operate on the poor quality fuel available in the USA...Good for the owners of the later incarnations of the pump...still need to hold your breath if you have a 2011 or early 2012...

Is it a better choice than a 6.0 or 6.4 Ford...maybe...as long as you are fortunate enough to stay out of the small percentage of buyers who have had HPFP failures...but Ford could have eliminated the whole issue as a malingering problem by doing as GM has done and fixed the pumps under warranty...they still are the only manufacturer using Bosch CP4.xx series HPFP's that does not follow that path...

Regards

DSteiner51 wrote:
I rest my case. Thanks for proving my point.

...you rest your case on what...ignorance of the facts even after they have been re-explained to you...wishing more bad things to happen to me is just plain childish...and name calling is even worse

Regards

Ric I've often wondered what you think of the 6.7 engine.

IOW's lets say the HPFP did not blow in your engine. I know you had other problems with the engine. Mostly PITA stuff if I remember correctly? But quite a few items also?

What kind of a rating would you give "your" first gen 6.7 engine?

Because you're on the boards a lot my next question would be what kind of rating would you give "the" first gen 6.7 engine?

It's truely shameful I don't have a nickel for every time I've read blue, kool-aid, drum and shameful on this site.

ricatic wrote:

v10superduty wrote:

ricatic wrote:
It looks like we have a new contender for the "Blue KoolAid King" title...Fish and the Gypsy need to up their game...I must be fair to the fish though...he does get it but likes to poke the bear...

Regards

Ricatic
I wonder if you will clear up something that I think about each time I see one of your posts?

When the "Drumbeat or Drumroll" thread or whatever it was called so way back when it first started, I was a very early poster trying to assure you that Ford would do the right thing. The way I understand how things went down, it was truly a "dealership" problem and Ford took their side instead of the truth? Or something like that..

I think something weird really made Ford go on the "The doors shut on this issue" tangent as I from both a customer and dealership employee viewpoint have always felt they were more than fair.

I understand you feel they were not in your case and tend to agree,
however in my mind your ongoing displeasure should be with the dealership who caused this but you probably can't do much to hurt them so I guess I can follow your logic to keep the heat on Ford.

Here is my question...

When you were in the heat of the situation and laying out your list of the bad things Ford had done to your "family" you mentioned that they had cancelled a Lincoln dealership owned by (I believe you said) your wifes family?
You had said they had 2 really good diesel techs and a few other things I can't recall.

**Is that situation partially causing your ongoing pressure to put down Ford? **

The reason I ask is I just can't understand caring on with this program over a "truck" that's out of your life now.
It just seems there must be more to it to me. :h

Just very curious so no reply needed if you feel its not warranted.

Your memory is almost correct...but Deb's family has never owned a Ford dealership of any sort...the dealership you are referencing was a small town dealership that the same family owned for over 60 years...they only sold new Lincoln/Mercury vehicles but serviced all the Blue Oval lines...their service department had 3 diesel techs that each had over 30 years at the same dealership...and a parts department that serviced the entire area dealerships with Genuine Ford Parts. They were far more respected than the Ford dealership two miles away...

The problem was twofold...no room for expansion of their location and a small town sales volume. They were told that they would no longer be a top tier dealer and their allocation was slashed...my ties to them was only the fact that my dad bought cars from them for years...truth is I never bought a car from them but they treated me as well as they did my dad for parts and service...it was a tragedy to see them treated the way they were treated...

Your question about why am I not blaming the crooked dealer that blacklisted my truck for warranty repairs is a fair one. The answer is found in the way Ford handled the situation...Ford ultimately had control over the warranty claim. They built the truck and they provided the warranty coverage...or in the case of failed HPFP's, no warranty coverage...the dispute escalated all the way to the VP level in Dearborn, Michigan...in the end, FOMOCO sacrificed a log time dedicated and loyal customer on the alter of dealership politic's. This was Ford's decision alone...and a Shameful Decision at that...

I have backed off a bit...but when quoted or pushed, I do not stand idly by...especially when the Blue KoolAid Boy's try to bury the poor treatment of not just my family but many others under the clamoring of it just doesn't happen the way it has been told...reality is simple...if Ford can hurt a loyal customer like they did with us...what makes anyone who has a Ford believe they are above having it happen to them...the answer is simple...anyone, no matter how loyal they are to Ford or how great their dealer relationship remains, can be the next victim...and that is a shame...

Ironically, I still get a direct mail flyer from the crooked dealer to either come in for a great deal on either a new vehicle or service...I laugh and just let them waste their money....

Regards

Thanks for replying..
I really don't have a problem with your posts and understand your agenda.
I guess what bothers me personally is how we, who still have and are happy with our Ford products are labelled as "Blue Kool-Aid drinkers"
I take it as you are doubting our sanity, smarts, whatever, but I find it a bit degrading.

The reality is, "IF" your problem had been covered as warranty, that truck would still be in your possession AND it would be a great truck.. :W

So I think the problem isn't really the truck or product but the "event" ??


In any case thanks for explaining the dealership thing and sorry my memory had it as "family" relationship, now that won't bug me. :)