3/4t vs 1t differences

Agree with ya Ben...you too Garyl53..get the right truck for the job of towing, or get a smoother driving TV and match what you want to camp in to that truck...

Acei wrote:
I realize there has been many questions asked about this and I have read quite a few but still doesn't really answer my curiosity completely, so here it goes...

Say if I need to use the truck 60-70% of the time not towing and expect to use it daily on all road conditions including typical North East potholes, do these two make much differences? Or does brand make more difference? From my understanding, GM models ride the best...

I listen to very little "hear-say"....I would drive all three and make up my own mind based on cost and usage....In my opinion....if I use the truck 60-70% of the time to get around and do some towing, I STILL want a truck that will SAFELY handle what I want to tow...thus the reason my 1 ton crew cab, long bed dually is not only my daily driver but also tows my 5er....I'd get what I needed tow tow with first, then the rest falls into place....a 3/4 ton will drive smoother than a 1 ton SRW truck...if the 3/4 ton will tow what you need, you killed two birds with one stone, but if you need a 1 ton SRW to tow SAFELY, then the 1 ton is what I would purchase, or can what you're towing now and get something the 3/4 ton can tow...simple..

goducks10 wrote:
I took my badges off so my truck is whatever I want it to be :B

I am getting 1500 badges for mine.

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gazingm42 wrote:
In my decision last year I was debating over the ram 2500 vs 3500... I went with the 3500 simply because of the payload difference. I hear folks say there is no difference which simply not true. With the payload there is springs or cool changes. If you ever pull a 5th down the road I want the 3500..

Again, this depends on brand. With Ford, there are no springs or "cool changes." Same truck.

True. Basically same truck since 1999. Why change a good thing.

Depends on year and brand and how they are ordered. Bottom line... at least with Ford... is that a current gen 250 can be ordered with the exact same physical build as a SRW 350.

so the bottomline both 2500 and 3500 perform nearly the same but they are badged differently for tax purposes?

I took my badges off so my truck is whatever I want it to be :B

taken wrote:

OK, then play it the opposite way. Just have a SRW 350 and a DRW 350 and have the 10k de-rate package that makes the SRW the same as the current 250 (10k gvwr) if desired. The redundancy is what I think is unnecessary. Call the SRW anything you want. If GVWR sets the class and the 350 can have either GVWR, then why can't one truck cover both needs and eliminate the confusion?

Then that would make all of the other manufacturers and fan boys cry foul just like they did when Ford lowered the payload and weight of the F450 to make it fit into class 3 last year. They also wouldn't be able to make that extra $500 on suckers that buy an F350 with the optional 10,000 lb GVWR package when an F250 with a $160 camper package is the exact same truck, but with an F250 badge.

ShinerBock wrote:

taken wrote:

Actually what I stated is exactly why they do it. But, we're splitting hairs. They don't need a separate class of truck when you can already order a 350 SRW derated to 10k. Make the GVWR a package choice on the 250's like they currently do on the 350 SRW's and it would make more sense.

As to the new Ram's, as of 2015 the 2500's are completely different suspension than the 3500's using coils in the rear.

No it is not. Ford cannot option a Class 2 F250 to have a higher GVWR than 10,000 lbs because that is the max GVWR you can have in that class. A GVWR higher than 10,000 lbs would put it in Class 3 Wichita is where the F350 is. Most states require special licences or a higher registration to operate a 10,000 lb and up GVWR vehicle. These are the main reasons why Ford and other manufacturers derate there 250/2500 trucks.

This is also why the payl6is so low in diesel 250/2500 trucks. Since payload is curb weight minus GVWR and the heavy Class 2 250/2500 trucks are capped out at 10,000 lb GVWR, then their payload rating is derated by a huge amount to make the truck fit into 10,000 GVWR. Going by the actual component ratings of the diesel 250/2500, they should have a payload of about 1,200 lbs more, but that would put them over 10,000 lbs GVWR which is where class 3 350/3500 trucks already are.

OK, then play it the opposite way. Just have a SRW 350 and a DRW 350 and have the 10k de-rate package that makes the SRW the same as the current 250 (10k gvwr) if desired. The redundancy is what I think is unnecessary. Call the SRW anything you want. If GVWR sets the class and the 350 can have either GVWR, then why can't one truck cover both needs and eliminate the confusion?

taken wrote:

Actually what I stated is exactly why they do it. But, we're splitting hairs. They don't need a separate class of truck when you can already order a 350 SRW derated to 10k. Make the GVWR a package choice on the 250's like they currently do on the 350 SRW's and it would make more sense.

As to the new Ram's, as of 2015 the 2500's are completely different suspension than the 3500's using coils in the rear.

No it is not. Ford cannot option a Class 2 F250 to have a higher GVWR than 10,000 lbs because that is the max GVWR you can have in that class. A GVWR higher than 10,000 lbs would put it in Class 3 which is where the F350 is. Most states require special licences or a higher registration to operate a 10,000 lb and up GVWR vehicle. These are the main reasons why Ford and other manufacturers derate there 250/2500 trucks.

This is also why the payload is so low in diesel 250/2500 trucks. Since payload is curb weight minus GVWR and the heavy Class 2 250/2500 diesel trucks are capped out at 10,000 lb GVWR, then their payload rating is derated by a huge amount to make the truck fit into 10,000 GVWR. Going by the actual component ratings of the diesel 250/2500 trucks, they should have a payload of about 1,200 lbs more, but that would put them over 10,000 lbs GVWR which is where class 3 350/3500 trucks already are.