Can you say, factory sleeper truck!

SidecarFlip wrote:

burningman wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
the motor isn't stuffed under the firewall either. I can do all the work on my 97. The new ones you cannot.

I can work on my 2014 truck. Just because one person is ignorant to new stuff doesn't mean everyone is.

In the case of the newer Fords, you can’t do much without lifting the cab off the frame.
New trucks are awesome but I also feel it’s crazy to drop that much money on one unless you’ve really got tons of disposable income.

100% correct so you have a built in labor cost to do anything engine wise. One reason I like the Dodge / Cummins, the engine is accessable.

On the new short hood Fords, you cannot even get to the turbo without pulling the cab and the engine appears to be a nightmare of hoses and pipes and all sorts of stuff that looks to be a PITA to do anything with.

Fine when new but I have to wonder how that will play out as they get older and need work... and they will because it's an engine and they wear.

With my OBS, the engine is out front of the firewall. Admittedly, It's hard to access the rear passangers side valve cover bolts (I just replaced the injection harness on both sides), but it's doable. Same with the head bolts. On a newer (non OBS truck) you won't be pulling a head because you cannot remove the rear passanger side head bolts without pulling the cab.

If I didn't get 'A' plan I would have bought a Dodge just because of the maintenance factor.

Finally, on the new Fords, about all you can do is change the oil and fuel filters any engine work or emissions related stuff takes serious electronic diagnostic tools, not something your everyday oil changer possesses.

I'll say the same for the Duramax. Stuffed under the firewall and a electronic nightmare.

My buddy went to change his fuel filter on his Lariat, broke the plastic push on fitting and had to get a new one from the dealer. Cost 80 bucks and had to wait for it. Not my idea of maintenance friendly at all.

Finally, most dealers charge in the excess of 100 bucks an hour on non warranty related labor so I guess if you are flush with money, it's no problem. I'm not. Flat rate Ford manual says 4 hours to lift the cab, that is 400 bucks before anything happens.

I'll keep my old OBS no emissions truck, thank you.

The 6.7PSD was designed to be able to perform all major work with the cab on. To replace the turbo all you have to do is remove the manifold (8 bolts, a connector, hose clamps) and it comes off giving access to the turbo.

The 6.7CTD you remove the passenger tire and fender well to access the turbo.


No big deal...

I think all the OP was trying to say is: It has a lot of power.

burningman wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
the motor isn't stuffed under the firewall either. I can do all the work on my 97. The new ones you cannot.

I can work on my 2014 truck. Just because one person is ignorant to new stuff doesn't mean everyone is.

In the case of the newer Fords, you can’t do much without lifting the cab off the frame.
New trucks are awesome but I also feel it’s crazy to drop that much money on one unless you’ve really got tons of disposable income.

100% correct so you have a built in labor cost to do anything engine wise. One reason I like the Dodge / Cummins, the engine is accessable.

On the new short hood Fords, you cannot even get to the turbo without pulling the cab and the engine appears to be a nightmare of hoses and pipes and all sorts of stuff that looks to be a PITA to do anything with.

Fine when new but I have to wonder how that will play out as they get older and need work... and they will because it's an engine and they wear.

With my OBS, the engine is out front of the firewall. Admittedly, It's hard to access the rear passangers side valve cover bolts (I just replaced the injection harness on both sides), but it's doable. Same with the head bolts. On a newer (non OBS truck) you won't be pulling a head because you cannot remove the rear passanger side head bolts without pulling the cab.

If I didn't get 'A' plan I would have bought a Dodge just because of the maintenance factor.

Finally, on the new Fords, about all you can do is change the oil and fuel filters any engine work or emissions related stuff takes serious electronic diagnostic tools, not something your everyday oil changer possesses.

I'll say the same for the Duramax. Stuffed under the firewall and a electronic nightmare.

My buddy went to change his fuel filter on his Lariat, broke the plastic push on fitting and had to get a new one from the dealer. Cost 80 bucks and had to wait for it. Not my idea of maintenance friendly at all.

Finally, most dealers charge in the excess of 100 bucks an hour on non warranty related labor so I guess if you are flush with money, it's no problem. I'm not. Flat rate Ford manual says 4 hours to lift the cab, that is 400 bucks before anything happens.

I'll keep my old OBS no emissions truck, thank you.

ShinerBock wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
the motor isn't stuffed under the firewall either. I can do all the work on my 97. The new ones you cannot.

I can work on my 2014 truck. Just because one person is ignorant to new stuff doesn't mean everyone is.

In the case of the newer Fords, you can’t do much without lifting the cab off the frame.
New trucks are awesome but I also feel it’s crazy to drop that much money on one unless you’ve really got tons of disposable income.

ShinerBock wrote:
2019 F150 Limited's will have the same 450 hp/510 lb-ft 3.5L Ecoboost engine from the Raptor. That is a heck of a lot of power and torque in a non-sports packaged truck that weighs around 5k. I bet it would be fun to drive.

2019 Ford F-150 Gets the Raptor Engine and Dual Exhaust For Most Power in the Class (News)

Someone was able to covertly obtain a picture of the exhaust tips on one of Fords prototypes for this new model F150 Limited.

SidecarFlip wrote:

Lessmore wrote:
SidecarFlip,

Question I've wanted to ask you, but not about your Ford truck. What;s the orign of your name...SidecarFlip ? Do you have a motorcycle sidecar ?

Les

More than one actually. I have 4 bikes, 2 Triumph's, 1 a 2300 Rocket 3 and a Bonneville with a sidecar, hence 'Sidecar'. A 1968 Norton P11 A Scrambler and a Kawasaki KLR 650 ADV bike. Flip was my Grandfather's legal name (and what I go by, everyone calls me Flip, so it's SidecarFlip.

I make and sell custom Triumph motorcycle parts in my machine shop as a hobby. keeps me out of my wife's hair.

Don't ride much anymore but I keep all the bikes around anyway. Just like my 97 Ford Truck there is an attachment to them and they take up no room really. They sit in the front of the shop in their own area.

There you have it. I've been asked before on other forums I frequent.

Thanks Flip.

As it happens I have a 1967 Matchless 750 G 15 CS Scrambler, a bike that preceded yours on the AMC assembly line. It was originally sold in my burg and was bought new, along with a few more, by a local dealer, who got them from the Berliner Brothers in NYC. BTW, this dealer also sold some of the very last Matchless G85 CS Scramblers.

It was basically new old stock and the first owner (I'm the second owner)got them well past the model year and mine was originally sold and first registered as a 1969 model. Serial number indicates manufacture if I remember correctly, in August 1967. I register it now as a '67.

I had always wanted a Norton P11, but wasn't able to find one and I'm happy with my G 15 CS.

I also have an early Yamaha SR 500, which I bought new in April/78. I'm not riding much anymore, although I do take my son's newer BMW GS out for a spin every so often.

Nice collection of other bikes you have...the Bonneville, the Rocket 2300 (bet that pulls the sidecar well) and the KLR. Years ago a buddy had a '77 Bonneville 750, which I rode quite a bit. Loved the handling and that nice vertical twin engine.
Les

SidecarFlip wrote:

Back in 97, it was too much but compared to today, for what I have, it was really chump change.

How much did you pay for your truck? What does it have in it so I may compare it to modern truck? I am willing to bet that a truck with the same amenities will cost roughly the same as one today +/- a few grand with inflation.

SidecarFlip wrote:
I'm amazed at what a new truck cost. When I bought this farm 35 years ago, it was less than a new pickup cost now.... and the farm makes money and appreciates instead of depreciates like a new truck does.

One word..... inflation. The average price of a pickup is $40k which is equal to $15k 35 years ago.

SidecarFlip wrote:
One of my good friend's just bought a new Ford F350 King Ranch diesel loaded. Sweet truck but when he told me the payment I almost fainted. I can do a lot of hunting trips for what he is paying for it and when he parked it next to my 97, I liked my 97 better. It has classic lines and the motor isn't stuffed under the firewall either. I can do all the work on my 97. The new ones you cannot.

I can work on my 2014 truck. Just because one person is ignorant to new stuff doesn't mean everyone is. I admire the fact that you like your old truck and I even like older trucks too, but constantly going out of your way to bash something about a new truck makes you seem a little jealous. Not saying you are, but it makes it seem that way. I fit is not price then it is emissions. If it is not emissions then it is common rail. If it is not common rail then it is VG turbo. If it is not VG turbo then it is engine placement. We get it, you don't like anything other then what you have and everything else is junk or cost too much money just like another member here.

ShinerBock wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:


She averages 21 mpg with the camper in the bed and no DEF or emissions junk either. Great truck, glad I bought it in 1997

And I bet if there were forums back then there would be an old geezer with a 6.9L saying the amount you paid for your new "fancy" 97 was too much and doesn't want unreliable turbos or direct injection.

Had a couple 6.9's actually. I 'fondly' remember in the winter, pulling the air cleaner and taking a gasoline soaked rag and laying it over the air intake to get the girl started.

Back in 97, it was too much but compared to today, for what I have, it was really chump change.

I'm amazed at what a new truck cost. When I bought this farm 35 years ago, it was less than a new pickup cost now.... and the farm makes money and appreciates instead of depreciates like a new truck does.

One of my good friend's just bought a new Ford F350 King Ranch diesel loaded. Sweet truck but when he told me the payment I almost fainted. I can do a lot of hunting trips for what he is paying for it and when he parked it next to my 97, I liked my 97 better. It has classic lines and the motor isn't stuffed under the firewall either. I can do all the work on my 97. The new ones you cannot.

Sitting in the drive right now, putting on all new hoses and a new coolant filter. Gates Green Stripe of course.:)

Lessmore wrote:
SidecarFlip,

Question I've wanted to ask you, but not about your Ford truck. What;s the orign of your name...SidecarFlip ? Do you have a motorcycle sidecar ?

Les

More than one actually. I have 4 bikes, 2 Triumph's, 1 a 2300 Rocket 3 and a Bonneville with a sidecar, hence 'Sidecar'. A 1968 Norton P11 A Scrambler and a Kawasaki KLR 650 ADV bike. Flip was my Grandfather's legal name (and what I go by, everyone calls me Flip, so it's SidecarFlip.

I make and sell custom Triumph motorcycle parts in my machine shop as a hobby. keeps me out of my wife's hair.

Don't ride much anymore but I keep all the bikes around anyway. Just like my 97 Ford Truck there is an attachment to them and they take up no room really. They sit in the front of the shop in their own area.

There you have it. I've been asked before on other forums I frequent.

SidecarFlip,

Question I've wanted to ask you, but not about your Ford truck. What;s the orign of your name...SidecarFlip ? Do you have a motorcycle sidecar ?

Les