I am contemplating the purchase of a new Truck and I have been comparing the Ram 2500 diesel to the Ford 250 diesel and it looks like the payload ratings are significantly different. The Ram payload is just a little over 2000 lbs while the ford is well over 3000 lbs. My preferance is the RAM which is what I drive now but the payload would be just about what I expect my pin weight to be on a new 5th wheel I am buying. Does anyone have any insight into why the payload ratings are so different between the ram and the ford.

Myriad of reasons. Have you looked at the 3500? Its not very much more, rides about the same empty and has a higher payload.

what year trucks and are they long bed or short bed? Do they have regular cabs or crew cabs? 2WD or 4WD? A lot of variables. http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/tow_chart/

Both Ford and GM 1500's gas and 2500's etc gas and diesel have always had much higher usable payload capacities. Read all the specs of each! It's been a subject of and on so many threads on this forum for many years now. Do your research and you'll find out why! If I were to post it, the Dodge/Ram cheerleaders and lovers would go berzerk as usual, so I won't.

The reason the rams is less is because the cummins diesel engine weighs so much more than either the ford or GM diesel engines and the gas motors weigh even less. The new 2500/3500 2013/14 ram trucks have a new frame suspension and axles with a greatly increased GVWR which in turn increased the payload of both the gas and diesel trucks.

The Ford has to have more payload so you can carry a spare diesel engine in the back And with that I'll just let myself out...

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Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Feb 11, 2014
FishOnOne wrote:
Me Again wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
thomasmnile wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
oilslick wrote:
The reason the rams is less is because the cummins diesel engine weighs so much more than either the ford or GM diesel engines and the gas motors weigh even less. The new 2500/3500 2013/14 ram trucks have a new frame suspension and axles with a greatly increased GVWR which in turn increased the payload of both the gas and diesel trucks.

OK so what is "so much more" ?

Don't know about the Generation 4 6.7 Cummins, but the only weight comparison I have ever seen was the weight of the Gen. 3 5.9 to the 5.7 Hemi, and IIRC, the 5.9 was about 900 lbs. more than the 5.7 Hemi.

I did a little research.

Cummins 6.7 1,190#

Chrysler 5.7 590#

Difference 600#

Ford 6.7 970# Cummins +220#

GM 6.6 835# Cummins +355#

With two less cylinders and a lot more weight, I would say the Cummins in much more heavily constructed! But we already new that!

Chris

Minus the 6.7 Cummins head gaskets :W

Dude you need to give up on that one. Every example you have shown of a 6.7 head gasket failure had deletes/tuner.

The early 6.7's did have some sooting turbo issues but since they have fixed that with some reprograming. The 10 and up have been very trouble free.

I think you already know all that but have fun stirring the pot.
Me_Again
Explorer III
Feb 11, 2014
FishOnOne wrote:

Minus the 6.7 Cummins head gaskets :W

Tell me more first I have not heard of this issue. Highly bombed engines yes, stock no!

Off to TDR to research.

Back. Sounds pretty much the same as the PS 6.0 EGR/VVT problem. Can happen on the EPA vintage 07.5-12 trucks that I would never buy. Suckie mileage and diesel in the oil. Think I will keep my 24V and wait until I win the Lotto and get a new one.

Chris
FishOnOne
Nomad
Feb 11, 2014
Me Again wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
thomasmnile wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
oilslick wrote:
The reason the rams is less is because the cummins diesel engine weighs so much more than either the ford or GM diesel engines and the gas motors weigh even less. The new 2500/3500 2013/14 ram trucks have a new frame suspension and axles with a greatly increased GVWR which in turn increased the payload of both the gas and diesel trucks.

OK so what is "so much more" ?

Don't know about the Generation 4 6.7 Cummins, but the only weight comparison I have ever seen was the weight of the Gen. 3 5.9 to the 5.7 Hemi, and IIRC, the 5.9 was about 900 lbs. more than the 5.7 Hemi.

I did a little research.

Cummins 6.7 1,190#

Chrysler 5.7 590#

Difference 600#

Ford 6.7 970# Cummins +220#

GM 6.6 835# Cummins +355#

With two less cylinders and a lot more weight, I would say the Cummins in much more heavily constructed! But we already new that!

Chris

Minus the 6.7 Cummins head gaskets :W
MM49
Explorer
Feb 11, 2014
Pop-Pop C wrote:
Sure wish I could put a cummins engine in a GM frame.

To get that wonderful torsion bar suspension?
MM49
RamTC
Explorer
Feb 10, 2014
dshelley wrote:
Pop-Pop C wrote:
Sure wish I could put a cummins engine in a GM frame.

Why?

I'm glad it's still Cummins in a Ram frame:
salem
Explorer
Feb 10, 2014
Cummins12v98: Can you post what your towing capabilities are now with your new rug and save us a lot of research?:) I would personally be interested in how much pin wt. you have and how big a 5er it's rated for. Thanks, and enjoy that new toy.
Engineer9860
Explorer
Feb 10, 2014
dshelley wrote:
Pop-Pop C wrote:
Sure wish I could put a cummins engine in a GM frame.

Why?

Exactly.

I used to the same thing before the Duramax built a reputation for awesome service, and reliability.
dshelley
Explorer
Feb 10, 2014
Pop-Pop C wrote:
Sure wish I could put a cummins engine in a GM frame.

Why?
Me_Again
Explorer III
Feb 10, 2014
Cummins12V98 wrote:
thomasmnile wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
oilslick wrote:
The reason the rams is less is because the cummins diesel engine weighs so much more than either the ford or GM diesel engines and the gas motors weigh even less. The new 2500/3500 2013/14 ram trucks have a new frame suspension and axles with a greatly increased GVWR which in turn increased the payload of both the gas and diesel trucks.

OK so what is "so much more" ?

Don't know about the Generation 4 6.7 Cummins, but the only weight comparison I have ever seen was the weight of the Gen. 3 5.9 to the 5.7 Hemi, and IIRC, the 5.9 was about 900 lbs. more than the 5.7 Hemi.

I did a little research.

Cummins 6.7 1,190#

Chrysler 5.7 590#

Difference 600#

Ford 6.7 970# Cummins +220#

GM 6.6 835# Cummins +355#

With two less cylinders and a lot more weight, I would say the Cummins in much more heavily constructed! But we already new that!

Chris
rhagfo
Explorer III
Feb 10, 2014
Pop-Pop C wrote:
Sure wish I could put a cummins engine in a GM frame.

Have you Driven a RAM lately???

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