We'll See wrote:
IdaD wrote:
mhamershock wrote:
carringb wrote:
Do remember when the EcoBoost came out 10 years ago (yup! 10 years now...) and this forums was predicting mass doom and gloom?
If you believed everything you read on RV.net, the highways would be littered by F150s needing turbos and timing chains or burning holes through their blocks. Oh and we'd all be stuck behind lines of cars while some idiot in their V6 grocery getter can't climb hill....
Timing chains (phasers) are sure an issue. LOTS of guys are having issues with the Gen2 motor and a cold start rattle - I am one of them. Ford has come down with the grand "it's normal" response.
Gen1s had a lot of issues with stretched timing chains. Turbo failures aren't uncommon (I had one), and more than a few Gen1s holed their blocks in the early days. Overheating under load was also an issue. Course, when you sell as many as Ford has the failure % is pretty low overall.
I'm happy with my 40k mile 2018 Gen2 3.5 except for the cold start rattle. Hasn't broken yet, but it sounds like cr@p. ESP covers it I hope if it ever grenades. I dumped the Gen1 EB I had at 120k miles since it was wore out. These small motors get worked hard to make the HP they do.
There's a reason Ford isn't putting them in the Super Duty.
Because the automakers don't want to stop making $9,000 more on the diesel option...
Let me first state that I am a big fan of the 3.5L Ecoboost engine. I had one in both my personal F150HD and F150 work truck putting over 250k miles combined on both.
The main problem with putting a gasoline turbocharged engine into an SD is heat. Gasoline turbocharged engines create a lot of it when worked hard for a sustained period of time. This is why the 3.5L Ecoboost has an open deck block even though most turbocharged gasoline engines put in cars are closed or semi-closed such as the infamous Supra 2JZ block which is known for handling high psi and over a thousand horsepower. This is needed to carry away the cylinder heat when you are under a sustained high load such as towing. Most gasoline turbocharged engines in cars are not under high loads for a long duration of time like a truck is when towing so a closed or semi-closed will offer enough cooling in these applications.
Most HD/SD V8 gas are iron closed deck designs for a reason. This aides in long term durability in their duty cycle. These engines can have a closed deck block and still remain cool because they are generally at high rpm when under load which is moving air in and out of the cylinders at a high rate which aides in cooling. While turbocharged engines move a lot of air into the cylinder to compress it(which creates more heat), they generally operate at much lower rpm which causing more heat buildup in the cylinders and block.
Diesels are an iron(CGI) closed deck design, but even though diesels are turbocharged like the Ecoboost they retain a lot less heat within their blocks due to their higher thermal efficiency. It is much more efficient at converting thermal energy into mechanical energy so an open/semi-closed deck is not needed to keep them cool under high constant load.
There is much more to it than slapping any ole engine into an SD/HD truck application and calling it good. Many things would have to be considered. I am not saying it will never be done(especially with the new cooling tech that was just discovered) or that the Ecoboost is not a long lasting durable engine. I am just saying that the cooling requirements of an SD/HD duty cycle is probably the reason why Ford has not put a small 4.X V8 Ecoboost in an SD.
