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ShinerBock wrote:


How would fine blowing snow get in there or be any different than the regular system with a cap and no second flap? I would think the capless system would be safer for fine blowing snow versus just having a cap.

I think you think incorrectly. how on earth could a capless system be better than one with a sealed cap?
bumpy

Grit dog wrote:
It's really the odd circumstances that this system doesn't work well.
Extreme mudding and fine blowing snow.
As said above, I have experience with the latter and a fuel cap is IMO, a necessity for that condition.
Otherwise, yes it's an inconvienence to use the special funnel.
Just like it's a ?!!!!@$ ing inconvenience to fill fuel cans with these stupid new vapor catching pump nozzles.

How would fine blowing snow get in there or be any different than the regular system with a cap and no second flap? I would think the capless system would be safer for fine blowing snow versus just having a cap.

And pretty sure this all has zero to do with the emissions issue that started the thread.

It's really the odd circumstances that this system doesn't work well.
Extreme mudding and fine blowing snow.
As said above, I have experience with the latter and a fuel cap is IMO, a necessity for that condition.
Otherwise, yes it's an inconvienence to use the special funnel.
Just like it's a ?!!!!@$ ing inconvenience to fill fuel cans with these stupid new vapor catching pump nozzles.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Well don't know what to tell you all but mine doesn't drip a drop of diesel on the ground. Hell in almost every state you can be fined for spilling fuel on the ground! Look it up! So do you think FCA/Ram or any other manufacture would design a filler tube that would allow fuel to spill on to the ground!?

Don

Because it's not designed to spill fuel on the ground. It is designed to prevent water or other spilled materials from entering the fuel tank.

It should never spill fuel on the ground unless you are filling improperly.

It should never spill DEF on the ground unless you are filling improperly.

Even of you did, in the very unlikely circumstance, get fined for a minor spill it is a hell of a lot cheaper than replacing your fuel system.

Bumpyroad wrote:
nobody seems to be addressing the possibility of over the years dust/dirt build up in that area that can be introduced into the fuel filler. Or does that somehow magically be diverted to the ground also?
bumpy

Ford has been using capless fuel fillers for years without issues. I don't have an issue with my RAM's capless design, no water, no DEF, no dust (and I live on dirt roads), and no dirt.

You guys are getting too carried away over absolutely nothing, it's a non-issue.

nobody seems to be addressing the possibility of over the years dust/dirt build up in that area that can be introduced into the fuel filler. Or does that somehow magically be diverted to the ground also?
bumpy

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Well don't know what to tell you all but mine doesn't drip a drop of diesel on the ground. Hell in almost every state you can be fined for spilling fuel on the ground! Look it up! So do you think FCA/Ram or any other manufacture would design a filler tube that would allow fuel to spill on to the ground!?

Don

Don, the spout is designed so that diesel doesn't spill, but things added without the use of a long diesel spout or the filler tube will spill. The design of the dual flap system is such that if you try to add DEF to the diesel tank, the DEF tube won't have enough rigidity to push through the spouts. If you force the first spout open with a finger and jam the DEF filler tube past the first spout, it still won't have the rigidity to open the second spout. The DEF will empty out and hit the second spout and safely drain to the ground, rather than into your diesel tank.

I understand that you are hesitant to try new technology... most of us are. I wasn't really a fan of the dual spout, no cap system either. Luckily I have a work car that had this technology (gas engine though) so I have seen first hand that it works and was well designed. My system works perfectly, I'm sure yours does too.

Well don't know what to tell you all but mine doesn't drip a drop of diesel on the ground. Hell in almost every state you can be fined for spilling fuel on the ground! Look it up! So do you think FCA/Ram or any other manufacture would design a filler tube that would allow fuel to spill on to the ground!?

Don

drittal wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

I do agree with you though as to DEF getting introduced into the fuel system from a spill. Without a cap if someone was careless or even say the plastic hose had a split in it or poped out of the filler neck DEF could get into the fuel tank.

Even a small amount of DEF can and WILL damage the fuel system and engine. The first thing all of the manufactures do when confronted with a blown diesel engine running DEF is to ask for the fuel filter, fuel samples and sometimes the ECM.

Don

This isn't possible on 2500/3500. I have tried to put fuel additive without the special funnel. Stick the neck of the stanadyne bottle into the fuel spout and it all runs onto the ground. It has to get past the second door even if a splash somehow gets past the first door.

Exactly Drittal.