Fiat and Cummins in court

I filled up the tank this evening, and decided to test the theory that liquid/fuel that makes it past the first flapper, but is trapped by the second, will dump out. Well, that's exactly how it worked on my 2500.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy.. Not sure why yours doesn't work that way. Either 1500's are different or its messed up, or something, but mine worked exactly as Shinerbock and others have indicated. It dumped right on the ground.

Mike

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
I just run good fuel filters. Ever seen a fuel filler neck and cap on a piece of heavy equipment? Most of the time you have to dig through the dirt and dust to get it off. Fuel filters are the life of the fuel system on a diesel.

Exactly. Have any of you ever seen the inside of a diesel tank on a "working rig?" Ever been in a working landing in July with 8" of powder on the ground?

I have new for you. There is ALWAYS dirt inside of diesel tanks. There is ALWAYS water in all diesel fuel.

That's what those things called filters are for. :R

Well if you two want to start buying my trucks than I won't worry about it. Yes the filter is going to stop the dirt and water from getting to the IP and injectors but why even let the **** in the tank in the first place.

BTW you two might not have a problem with dirt and water in your fuel system most of us do. I don't for one minute think you guys do though. If you don't pull your caps off remove your fuel doors and let us know how it works out for you! Real stupid comments guys.

Don

Stupid comment? I don't think itsh any more stupid than anyone else. You state you use a cap. Good for you. I state I don't use a cap. Good for me. Why would I want to remove my fuel door? Want to talk about a stupid comment.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
I just run good fuel filters. Ever seen a fuel filler neck and cap on a piece of heavy equipment? Most of the time you have to dig through the dirt and dust to get it off. Fuel filters are the life of the fuel system on a diesel.

Exactly. Have any of you ever seen the inside of a diesel tank on a "working rig?" Ever been in a working landing in July with 8" of powder on the ground?

I have new for you. There is ALWAYS dirt inside of diesel tanks. There is ALWAYS water in all diesel fuel.

That's what those things called filters are for. :R

Well if you two want to start buying my trucks than I won't worry about it. Yes the filter is going to stop the dirt and water from getting to the IP and injectors but why even let the **** in the tank in the first place.

BTW you two might not have a problem with dirt and water in your fuel system most of us do. I don't for one minute think you guys do though. If you don't pull your caps off remove your fuel doors and let us know how it works out for you! Real stupid comments guys.

Don

My 2500 came with a green plug... I assume it is factory, but I did buy the vehicle used. The plug would seem to do a sufficient job to stop whatever from entering the system.

My wife's Jeep (a FCA product) does NOT have a cap to protect the filler tube.

I think there's some paranoia and hysteria going on with some. My post about wiping off the fuel nozzle was intended to be tongue in cheek/a joke, but I reckon if one is paranoid, they probably should do that. In fact, you also may want to make sure someone is not sabotaging you by sticking some chewing gum on the end of the nozzle. Who knows what eco-terrorists might think of.

Mike

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


The Ram is the only FCA vehicle that I know of that does not have a cap to protect the filler tube from getting any contaminates in it.

Don

Capless systems is very widespread on new Chrysler vehicles.

transamz9 wrote:
I just run good fuel filters. Ever seen a fuel filler neck and cap on a piece of heavy equipment? Most of the time you have to dig through the dirt and dust to get it off. Fuel filters are the life of the fuel system on a diesel.

Exactly. Have any of you ever seen the inside of a diesel tank on a "working rig?" Ever been in a working landing in July with 8" of powder on the ground?

I have new for you. There is ALWAYS dirt inside of diesel tanks. There is ALWAYS water in all diesel fuel.

That's what those things called filters are for. :R

I just run good fuel filters. Ever seen a fuel filler neck and cap on a piece of heavy equipment? Most of the time you have to dig through the dirt and dust to get it off. Fuel filters are the life of the fuel system on a diesel.

OK I just tried it again today to make sure and nope not one drop of fuel on the ground even though the filler tube was full between the first and second flaps!

So if fuel can't leak out than water nor dirt can. So again this is why I have a cap to protect the fuel system in my truck. A simple latch would hold the fuel door close and keep water and dirt from getting into the fuel filling area.

The Ram is the only FCA vehicle that I know of that does not have a cap to protect the filler tube from getting any contaminates in it.

Don

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
And that F150 doesn't have a DEF fill port right next door to the diesel fill port either just waiting for a spill to occur. I would most definitely have the MOPAR diesel protective cap.

Troy were is the DEF filler located on the HD Fords? Same spot as my truck right? I mean the new F-150 3.0 diesel is not being sold yet so no a F-150 wouldn't have a DEF filler now would it? :p

Don

I understand but my truck has a standard fuel cap that provides a piece of mind

I looked and Ford does put a cap on their diesel trucks. Wonder if that will change with the next model upgrade? The 150's are capless right?

If it were up to me, gasoline models would be capless, and diesel would always have a cap. The oily nature of Diesel will attract dirt/dust at a much faster rate than gasoline I'd think.

Not sure how I'm being accused of being "I understand that you are hesitant to try new technology" but I'm not. The fact that I bought a EcoDiesel should show that.

I have been responding to the posts that water, dirt, fuel, DEF or anything else that gets past the first flapper would be sent to the ground. I tried and it doesn't. I pushed the fuel nozzle just past the first flap and dispensed some fuel (until it clicked off, which was not long at all, maybe a second) and no fuel spilled on to the ground....none!

So either there is something wrong with my trucks cap less system or the fuel (or whatever) either stays there until you push the nozzle past the second flap and goes into the tank. That or there is some kind of catch system in place.

I put a cap on my truck for my piece of mind and to make **** sure nothing could get in to the fuel system. For whatever reason FCA/Ram decided not to put a latch on the Ram trucks like we have on EVERY other vehicle that uses a capless system. I have seen my fuel door open when going through the drying section of some car washes! Did not make me all warm and fuzzy I can tell you that!

The capless system has nothing to do with FCA/Ram and Cummins dispute at any rate.

Don