Fiat and Cummins in court

^^^^Totally agree^^^^^^^^

I wasn't trying to be politically correct and really just wanted to state my agreement with what you were/are saying.

Mike

Walaby wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
My exact point. As a shop man for a very large construction company I see daily what these fuel system go through. The tier 4 engines of todays equipment is not much different than the trucks we drive. The use DEF and everything. When you see the fuel nozzles on the trucks in the field they use to put fuel in the equipment laying in the bed of the truck covered over with dirt, mud ,snow , sand , hay, you name it. If grass seed could grow in diesel fuel we would have to mow our tanks. I've seen them have to stick the nozzle in the tailpipe to thaw the ice out of them to even get them to flow. Do we have fuel system problems? Yes and the fix is usually change the fuel filters. Eventually the fuel tanks have to be pulled and washed out because eventually you won't make it through a week on the fuel filters or the pick-up tube in the tank will get plugged.

I think the point to take from this is, while we would all agree that we don't want dirt and **** in our fuel system, if we inadvertently get a tad bit of dust or dirt that makes it PAST the closed fuel door, then PAST the first flapper, and PAST the second flapper, well, that little small bugger will still have to make it PAST TWO fuel filters, so the odds are probably infinitesimal.

Fueling a truck/tractor in the field, with dust, seeds etc blowing, possibly rain, possibly snow, and opening the cap to fuel with everything as dirty as it is, is an extreme example, and if those diesel's can survive, I suspect ours will withstand what little bit of whatever we have to deal with.

Mike

Thank you sure! It's amazing how saying something politically correct can sound so much better. As you can see, I'm not very politically correct......so just call me Donald. LOL I mean well just can't put it into words well.

I guess it's a matter of interpretation.. whether there's a problem that is in need of a solution, or if it is a case of creating a dragon, and then slaying it.

All in all, it was a good discussion.. and you're welcome. You have a good day too.

Mike

Walaby wrote:
. . . I think there's some paranoia and hysteria going on with some. My post about wiping off the fuel nozzle was intended to be tongue in cheek/a joke, but I reckon if one is paranoid, they probably should do that. In fact, you also may want to make sure someone is not sabotaging you by sticking some chewing gum on the end of the nozzle. Who knows what eco-terrorists might think of.

Mike

My reply was also very much tongue-in-cheek---guess you missed it. Why stoop to sarcasm when you can trip 'em up with a kind and generous reponse--lol!

In any case, Mike, what you appear to believe is paranoia is simply part of a process of brainstorming to solve or prevent problems. The fact you don't agree with the odds of something happening is just that, odds---not paranoia.

As for your hysteria comment, those with a less dramatized approach might call it instead, passion---a passion for solving or preventing a problem.

All said and done, Mike, I'll take your comment as a very, very back-handed compliment. Thank you. Have a good one!

transamz9 wrote:
My exact point. As a shop man for a very large construction company I see daily what these fuel system go through. The tier 4 engines of todays equipment is not much different than the trucks we drive. The use DEF and everything. When you see the fuel nozzles on the trucks in the field they use to put fuel in the equipment laying in the bed of the truck covered over with dirt, mud ,snow , sand , hay, you name it. If grass seed could grow in diesel fuel we would have to mow our tanks. I've seen them have to stick the nozzle in the tailpipe to thaw the ice out of them to even get them to flow. Do we have fuel system problems? Yes and the fix is usually change the fuel filters. Eventually the fuel tanks have to be pulled and washed out because eventually you won't make it through a week on the fuel filters or the pick-up tube in the tank will get plugged.

I think the point to take from this is, while we would all agree that we don't want dirt and **** in our fuel system, if we inadvertently get a tad bit of dust or dirt that makes it PAST the closed fuel door, then PAST the first flapper, and PAST the second flapper, well, that little small bugger will still have to make it PAST TWO fuel filters, so the odds are probably infinitesimal.

Fueling a truck/tractor in the field, with dust, seeds etc blowing, possibly rain, possibly snow, and opening the cap to fuel with everything as dirty as it is, is an extreme example, and if those diesel's can survive, I suspect ours will withstand what little bit of whatever we have to deal with.

Mike

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


As for the stupid comments that was meet for comparing a pickup truck to construction equipment that the operator could care less about. I have never seen any piece of construction equipment without a fuel cap in it myself.

My exact point. As a shop man for a very large construction company I see daily what these fuel system go through. The tier 4 engines of todays equipment is not much different than the trucks we drive. The use DEF and everything. When you see the fuel nozzles on the trucks in the field they use to put fuel in the equipment laying in the bed of the truck covered over with dirt, mud ,snow , sand , hay, you name it. If grass seed could grow in diesel fuel we would have to mow our tanks. I've seen them have to stick the nozzle in the tailpipe to thaw the ice out of them to even get them to flow. Do we have fuel system problems? Yes and the fix is usually change the fuel filters. Eventually the fuel tanks have to be pulled and washed out because eventually you won't make it through a week on the fuel filters or the pick-up tube in the tank will get plugged.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Do you really think the EPA would let any vehicle manufacture allow fuel to spill on the ground? Don

Well that didn't work out so well for you now did it. LOL
care to expand on your smartass remark Turtle?

Unlike what you think, it looks like the EPA would let a manufacture let fuel spill out on the ground now hu? LOL
I don't know why you or anyone else thinks spilling any amount of fuel on the ground is a good idea and if the EPA catches wind of this I bet we will be seeing a recall on this system. If in fact they do let fuel spill on the ground. Even if it was caused be operator error or not.


Now, the only question is, was it operator error or mechanical failure of a very simple system? I have my guess, but I will keep to to myself! ;)

NO NO Turtle by all means say what you want to say lol

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Do you really think the EPA would let any vehicle manufacture allow fuel to spill on the ground? Don

Well that didn't work out so well for you now did it. LOL

Unlike what you think, it looks like the EPA would let a manufacture let fuel spill out on the ground now hu? LOL

Now, the only question is, was it operator error or mechanical failure of a very simple system? I have my guess, but I will keep to to myself! ;)

Well it looks I'll take the truck to the dealership and find out what's going on. It has been this way from day one. Well I checked it about six months after I bought it.

As for the stupid comments that was meet for comparing a pickup truck to construction equipment that the operator could care less about. I have never seen any piece of construction equipment without a fuel cap in it myself.

In response to Perrysburg Dodgeboy, my '16 3500 does drain fuel if the pump nozzle is not inserted all the way into the filler neck. Just had it happen this evening. It's completely ny own fault as I started the pump before I had inserted the nozzle all the way