Ford 6.7L 1050 ft lbs TQ at 1,600 rpm, 475 HP at 2,800 rpm

"20 MPG pulling 20,000 lbs"

That right there is "Fantasy Island".

Bionic Man wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
A little off topic, but I have to ask. When is enough going to be enough for everyone regarding towing in a class 3 truck? 40k, 50k, 60k? Mine was 30k, but I am wondering what ya'lls is.

I think today’s numbers are really nothing short of silly.

It is really hard for me to believe that a pick up truck can safely and comfortably pull 30,000 + pounds. That is WAY outside of any weight I would ever pull with one.

I can tell you with me double towing at 35k combined 5k would NOT make a bit of difference.

FACT is the weight on my truck would be 1,300# lighter if I were 40k combined towing a triple axle 5er with 15% pin or a gooseneck with 15% pin grossing 30k.

ShinerBock wrote:
A little off topic, but I have to ask. When is enough going to be enough for everyone regarding towing in a class 3 truck? 40k, 50k, 60k? Mine was 30k, but I am wondering what ya'lls is.

With a 15% pin there is only so much weight they can "CARRY".

Bionic Man wrote:
These are the "good ole days" of trucks.

I wonder how RAM can compete in the HP arena. They are quite a bit behind now. Despite what some who constantly beat the RAM drum think, they need to update their transmission as well. 10 gears > 6.

Sure did nothing to help the GM on the run against the RAM recently. I have never wished I had more gears in my RAM pulling a combined 33-35k over the West Coast Mountains. Gassers may benefit with more gears.

4x4ord wrote:
If the new Powerstroke is really capable of putting out that kind of power it should be able to maintain the speed limit up the Ike with a 28000 lb trailer in tow. Based on the performance of the Duramax when it pulled against the Freightliner I think these little diesels are not able to produce their rated power over a sustained pull. Maybe it's just the thin air at 10000 feet that prevents them from pulling as they should?

Yeah. If this is sustained power, then it should easily mop the floor with the other two.

Advertisement laws do not require a manufacturer to advertise sustained power numbers. All they have to so is reach a certain power level in a short burst in accordance to SAE procedures which is at low altitudes. Some manufacturers factor in sustained power, and some don't. I wish sustained power numbers was a requirement for the J2807 tow standard meaning you can only advertise the lowest power an engine makes performing the up hill test. I have a feeling that some of the power ratings would drop considerably if it were.

The HP & TQ wars amongst the e are ridiculas. Sure they are able to pull gobs of weight, but like 1 poster said, "what about the brakes?". Ya got to be able to stop it. If things keep going, a NON CDL license will be needed to tow w/ them from all states. I know the CDL thing is another can of worms, but we have to be careful what we all wish for.

Bionic Man wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
A little off topic, but I have to ask. When is enough going to be enough for everyone regarding towing in a class 3 truck? 40k, 50k, 60k? Mine was 30k, but I am wondering what ya'lls is.

I think today’s numbers are really nothing short of silly.

It is really hard for me to believe that a pick up truck can safely and comfortably pull 30,000 + pounds. That is WAY outside of any weight I would ever pull with one.

A properly equipped F450, 4X2 will be rated to tow 37,000#..

Heck, The new 6.2 gas engine properly equipped will have a payload capacity of 7850# according to the site.

Personally, I'd be happy with 800 ft pds TQ, 300 HP, a reliable transmission and 20 MPG pulling 20,000 lbs.
With the torque these new trucks have if you floor it from a stop the full contents of your 5th wheel will be in the back 10 feet of your trailer. Or you will rip the frame of the 5th wheel apart somewhere just behind the king pin.

If the new Powerstroke is really capable of putting out that kind of power it should be able to maintain the speed limit up the Ike with a 28000 lb trailer in tow. Based on the performance of the Duramax when it pulled against the Freightliner I think these little diesels are not able to produce their rated power over a sustained pull. Maybe it's just the thin air at 10000 feet that prevents them from pulling as they should?

What is the spec of the brakes?