Ford finally releases specs for F-150 3.0L diesel

Small diesels work well in the third world because they mainly have less to tow, and if they do tow heavier then normal then they are not doing it at speeds or at altitudes we do in the US.

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spoon059 wrote:

IdaD wrote:
It sounds like Ford is only going to sell the diesel on the Lariat and higher trims except for fleet buyers.

Lame.

That is incredibly stupid. I remember when I was researching trucks back in 2008 and 2009 and GM refused to offer the 6.2 V8 in their lower trim half ton trucks. I found the 5.3 to be lacking in power for me and I refused to pay thousands of dollars for upgraded features (and weight) that I didn't want.

It makes perfect sense if they actually can sell all they can build. Why put them in lower trim levels with less profit margin if they don't have to?

spoon059 wrote:

IdaD wrote:
It sounds like Ford is only going to sell the diesel on the Lariat and higher trims except for fleet buyers.

Lame.

That is incredibly stupid. I remember when I was researching trucks back in 2008 and 2009 and GM refused to offer the 6.2 V8 in their lower trim half ton trucks. I found the 5.3 to be lacking in power for me and I refused to pay thousands of dollars for upgraded features (and weight) that I didn't want.

Yep. And it may also mean it will not be available in the HD line, which is just XL, XLT and Lariat. And especially if there's no exhaust brake, I'm just not interested, even with our measly 8500# trailer.

This may be possible coming from Ford. They were selling F450 pickups only in higher trims and with diesel. If you didn't like it, you had to get a chassis cab with a retrofitted bed.

I started with baby diesels and that's what got me hooked even if mine was a normally aspirated 2.2 liter Perkins.

IdaD wrote:
It sounds like Ford is only going to sell the diesel on the Lariat and higher trims except for fleet buyers.

Lame.

That is incredibly stupid. I remember when I was researching trucks back in 2008 and 2009 and GM refused to offer the 6.2 V8 in their lower trim half ton trucks. I found the 5.3 to be lacking in power for me and I refused to pay thousands of dollars for upgraded features (and weight) that I didn't want.

Diesel or not I wouldn't want to tow more than 7,000 lbs with an F150 except an HD optioned one. Right now I'd rather tow 7,000 lbs with the EB. More power and the same handling. Doubt the baby stroke will have an exhaust brake so stopping is all but equal.
Only benefit so far is the speculated higher MPG towing and non towing as I see it.
I could see this as a great platform for a family of 4 that needs a truck as a main vehicle, likes to camp/boat and wants better mpg than a 3.5 as a daily driver. It just seems to be a couple years late to the party. JMO but from what I've read lately, auto sales seem to have peaked.

ppine wrote:
Everything is going smaller and lighter. RVs will eventually all be aluminum frame with light shells. Small diesels work really hard in the Third World. They get overloaded for decades and keep on chugging.

Baby diesels are the wave of the future. It is a secret the rest of the world has known about since before WWII. They use diesel outboard motors and lawn mowers.

If you can get 250 hp out of a small diesel with a 10 speed gearbox, then you really have something. This is one of the only trucks I would ever replace my 7.3 liter Ford with. It will take awhile to find a used one somewhere down the line.

Small diesels work well in the third world because they mainly have less to tow, and if they do tow heavier then normal then they are not doing it at speeds or at altitudes we do in the US. Almost half the US is above 2,000 ft above elevation, our roads speeds are higher on average, and our travel trailers/5th wheels that normal diesel truck owners tow are larger/heavier than what people other places normally tow. I am sure someone here might find extreme or rare cases and try to pass it off as the norm, but I am going on the average truck/trailer owner.

The reason why our diesels have gotten bigger and more powerful is because what the normal diesel truck owner pulls has gotten bigger and heavier. These small diesel may be great for pulling what HD diesels towed 15-20 years ago and will be fine for people such a yourself who have not increased what you tow since then. However, this truck will not work for current HD diesel truck towers who normally tow 12k+ lb trailers and I don't see many of them decreasing what they tow just to buy a half ton diesel.

This truck will be awesome for those towing a 10k trailer at low altitude flat land or a 7k trailer at high altitudes and even then that is pushing it unless you are okay with traveling well below the speed limit most of the time. There is nothing wrong with that if that is your thing, but I don't believe that is on par with most current US truck buyers expectations.

ppine wrote:
Everything is going smaller and lighter. RVs will eventually all be aluminum frame with light shells. Small diesels work really hard in the Third World. They get overloaded for decades and keep on chugging.

Baby diesels are the wave of the future. It is a secret the rest of the world has known about since before WWII. They use diesel outboard motors and lawn mowers.

If you can get 250 hp out of a small diesel with a 10 speed gearbox, then you really have something. This is one of the only trucks I would ever replace my 7.3 liter Ford with. It will take awhile to find a used one somewhere down the line.

Definitely see a lot more of them in the US.
All of the non US manufacturers have diesels they can use in the US. It all depends on acceptance by the US public.

Well $hit: "Rated to tow up to 11,400 pounds and to haul a maximum payload of 2020 pounds". Decent payload but not enough IMHO. If I was towing light this might be ok, but then I could just buy the 2.7 eco.

I'm failing to see the value or need for this platform other than CAFE.

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Everything is going smaller and lighter. RVs will eventually all be aluminum frame with light shells. Small diesels work really hard in the Third World. They get overloaded for decades and keep on chugging.

Baby diesels are the wave of the future. It is a secret the rest of the world has known about since before WWII. They use diesel outboard motors and lawn mowers.

If you can get 250 hp out of a small diesel with a 10 speed gearbox, then you really have something. This is one of the only trucks I would ever replace my 7.3 liter Ford with. It will take awhile to find a used one somewhere down the line.