Ford finally releases specs for F-150 3.0L diesel

Can't wait to see some a$$hole pulling a triple axle toy hauler with an F150 because it's got a diesel in it and he thinks he can pull the world

Also, these diesels won’t win a towing race with an ecoboost but they are very capable trucks performance wise within there specs.

I won’t argue over what I think is more important vs what someone else values. As for fuel prices, they are much higher than that where I am. I used 2.70 for an average price even though both gas and diesel are more than that right now where I am. I used 2.70 for both, because as I stated diesel was cheaper almost all of this past year for me, so my savings were actually greater than I posted. You are correct, I did not include fuel filter changes that I do every 20k. I believe they are about $36, so take off an additional $72.

I’m stating that these diesels have a place in the marketplace and I am in that niche. Like you pointed out, if you want something with more hp because you care less about efficiency, this truck is not for you. If I’m the rare scenario, because I value cost and efficiency that’s fine by me. I’m just trying to inform the people who are researching these diesels of my experience and reasoning with them.

Sorry to fragment that in multiple responses, but it would not let me do it otherwise.

Allamakee1 wrote:
Here are some more towing numbers for everyone. TFL did these tests so take it up with them. The 3.5 EB flat land towing got 8.5 and the ED got 13.3. If I took an average round trip vacation for me - about 2400 miles. On one trip, that EB comes out to around an additional 102 gallons of fuel(about $280).

With the trip included, not counting all the other weekend towing trips, that's about $1,800 a year savings over the 3.5 EB. Please explain other than the EB is faster (there are speed limits/even worse mpg when driving faster), where my numbers are off?

Again, I think there is something off with your math, but unsure since you did not post your prices. Using the Iowa average prices on Gasbuddy from above with gas being $2.19 and diesel being $2.65, a 2,400 mile trip with an Ecoboost getting 8.5 mpg and the Ecodiesel getting 13.3 mpg, that only comes out to a $142 difference, not $280.

Allamakee1 wrote:
This thread was about the FORD 3.0 though. I for one am very excited about this truck, I wont be upgrading because the cost wont be justified, but this direction in 1/2 ton trucks is exciting. Everyone needs to make up there own minds with there own situation and they don't need to be told what they do or don't need by someone with some type of ax to grind.

No axe to grind here. I am just a realist telling how the market works. As I said before, if it didn't work this way then the most fuel efficient base engine would be the most sold engine in every brand.

I would also like to point out that I am even talking about my own engine. I drive 80+ miles a day for work which is why I bought a 328d diesel instead of a 328i gasser. I knowingly gave up performance(and a manual) for fuel economy. In my case, the fuelly average for the 328i is 25 mpg and the fuelly average for my 328d is 39 mpg which is a big enough difference. However, I am not blind or bias enough to admit that I am a rare scenario and most would be willing to sacrifice fuel economy for performance which is why the 328i grossly outsells the 328d.

Allamakee1 wrote:
My situation-my truck is my daily driver and overall family vehicle, so I put on easily 40k miles a year. I've had my truck coming up on a year now and for the first 7 months, diesel was CHEAPER than gas here in Iowa (it isn't currently-20 cents more). So my numbers will be from this last year and give the gas trucks the benefit and say they were the same price all year. With your numbers, 16 mpg for the Ecoboost and 22 mpg for the Ecodiesel, and the average price of gasdiesel over the past year, I save $1,880 a year. 4 oil changes at $137=548 vs my buddy pays $51=204 for his EB. So oil changes cost me $344 more a year. So add DEF in there and I'm saving about $1,500 a year or $125month.

And that is fine and dandy, but I am speaking in terms of normal everyday half ton owners that (as has been stated before) do not tow that often. Most are comfortable with the fuel mileage that trucks like the Ecoboost, 5.0L, 5.3L or 5.7L get. If they weren't then the base model engine that gets the best fuel economy would be the most purchased engine in every make especially since most don't tow. However, this is not the case and the higher power engines outsell the lower powered more fuel efficient ones by a HUGE margin.

Just as it is not about being the fastest to you, it is not all about saving the most money in fuel to most others. It is all about what price people are willing to pay for their trucks performance. As long as fuel remains cheap and the higher powered engines get reasonable fuel economy then they will continue to outsell engines like this 3.0 and Ecodiesel. I can guarantee you that if you that if you switched every 3.5L Ecoboost owner in one of these lower powered diesels and the savings were less than $50 per month, most would decline the offer. Why, because $50 is not enough savings to sacrifice that much

Although, there is something off on your numbers. Per Gasbuddy.com using the lowest prices on each since you did not post fuel prices, gas averages at about $2.19 and diesel is $2.65 in Iowa. If you drove 40k a year, that would only be a savings of $656 using the fuelly mpg. I am not sure where you are getting this $1,880. If you post your fuel costs then I can check your math. So after you calculate your oil changes(fuel filter?) then you are left with an anual savings of only $312 or $26 a month.

Allamakee1 wrote:
I didn't buy a PICK-UP TRUCK to drag race, whether I'm towing or not. So I really don't care who's truck is the fastest. I bought it for a purpose-daily driver and to tow my camper on the weekends along with at least one week long trip/vacation in the summer.

And that is fine and dandy, but I am speaking in terms of normal everyday half ton owners that (as has been stated before) do not tow that often. Most are comfortable with the fuel mileage that trucks like the Ecoboost, 5.0L, 5.3L or 5.7L get. If they weren't then the base model engine that gets the best fuel economy would be the most purchased engine in every make especially since most don't tow. However, this is not the case and the higher power engines outsell the lower powered more fuel efficient ones by a HUGE margin.

Allamakee1 wrote:

I get it you hate the ED. I own one, so take this for what it's worth for everyone else....

If I hated the ED, then why would I be ordering one next year when it comes available in the Jeep Wrangler? I just think that most people would rather have more power in a truck.

Allamakee1 wrote:
So you did all of this math with your numbers and you came the conclusion that you're still SAVING MONEY....Wasn't that the point?

My point was that a little over $8 a month(not counting DEF) in savings is not enough for most people to give up over 130 hp, more towing ability, more hauling ability, better towing performance, and/or better unloaded performance. If it were considerably more then I can see it, but not with such a small amount especially since these trucks are $40k+. However, there are some, like yourself, that will.

Bionic Man wrote:
$40 for spark plugs? I seem to remember paying around $500 to have them changed on the Hemi in my wife’s 300C and my Hemi Grand Cherokee.

Sorry I was high, I just looked and can get 16 NGK for $34.39.

$500 for plugs should be a hanging offense.

I think everyone should do more bitsching and arguing about it rather than be happy we now have yet another CHOICE in pickups......
Oh wait, that’s what you were doing...... back to your regularly scheduled program.