Long Term Nissan Titan XD Diesel Update

transamz9 wrote:

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There's a big difference between going over GVWR like we are talking about and going over GAWR.

brulaz wrote:
When the bearings on my old semi-float rear axle went, the whole axle/wheel assembly silently pulled out of the housing. It didn't just make a lot of noise and come to a slow, grinding stop. Luckily I was in town, travelling at slow speeds and was flagged down by a pedestrian.

And yes, the truck had been overloaded (heavily? probably) for a couple years before hand. It was one of those "an xtra leaf in the spring pack will fix that" deals back when I was young and ignorant.

Since then I've been much more worried when exceeding a truck's rear GAWR.

spoon059 wrote:
Back on point... DeMiles owns a Nissan that is within his specs and he is happy with it. Good for him. There is debate about safety going over your GVWR or GAWR numbers, that will never end.

The Nissan truck rides like a truck and Car and Driver doesn't like it cause it rides like a truck.

Does that about sum up the 9 pages?

Huntindog wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
I love these show me your payload sticker threads.

The Titan XD is a beast. I look at those payload stickers and just kinda laugh at them...they are literally meaningless and only matter on the day these trucks are manufactured.

I test drove a 2014 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 crew cab Hemi this past weekend. Had my two man sized sons and my father with me...none of us are under 200 lbs...the sales man rode with us on the test drive as well...that was at least 1100 lbs of humans.... truck was awesome...handled amazing ... powerful...fast...cornered great. After the test drive I looked at the silly payload sticker and it said 950 lbs. According to RV.net I was a danger to society being 200 lbs overloaded...the real world said that truck wasn't even phased by the 1100 lbs in the cab. It would have comfortably handled 600 lbs or more worth of hitch weight with a weight distribution hitch and wouldn't have even blinked.

I once looked at a Ram 2500 MegaCab 4x4 Laramie Longhorn CTD with all he options (including fifth wheel prep) ...the silly sticker said 1750 lb of payload...I posted that fact here and someone pointed out that 1750 lbs in the bed would literally not even squat the truck. That fact is reflected in these silly payload stickers on the Titan XD as well...put 1500 lbs in the bed and it will barely squat.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

If you load more than what the silly sticker states into your truck.... And something goes wrong..... Say the rear axle has a problem etc.,,,,and you get it towed to the dealership... They will explain to you just what that silly sticker means to your silly warranty.

I've never had a warranty denied on any of our trucks because of going over the payload sticker and we have had plenty of trucks go in on the hook still loaded over their payload with just tools.

An awful lot left unsaid here.... Just what were those trucks towed to the dealer for? If it wasn't a problem that could be blamed on overloading.... It means nothing. Some dealers will look the other way for their large accounts... Not so much for the normal guy on the street.

I have had them bring it up, when I had a TV that had many problems.... The conversation did not last long, as I had special ordered that TV with all the HD options. IOW, it was pretty much impossible for me to overload that particular combo.

demiles wrote:

otrfun wrote:

demiles wrote:
In my opinion the GVWR rating is more about safety and long term reliability of the vehicle. How does overloading effect braking distance? Running overloaded all the time certainly would reduce component life and could cause premature failure. An occasional overload I really don't think is a big issue as long as caution is used. Of course the GVWR comes into play when you're talking commercial vehicles but that another story. The NHTSA requires these stickers on vehicles, it's up to the consumer to use common sense which is the problem.

Lets go with your and Jeremiah's line of thinking that payload ratings are only a guideline and not a line in the sand. For the sake of discussion let's exceed it by, say 50 percent . . . very carefully, of course. That would present a payload of 2850 lbs. for your Nissan Cummins.

Ok, let's factor in value along with that 2850 lbs. You said you paid $33k for your Nissan Cummins 4x2. A very good deal; however, the average Joe would probably pay closer to ~$36k.

A '16-'17 Ram 3500 crew cab 4x2 6.7 Cummins can be purchased for about ~$36k. That's roughly 20 percent off MSRP--standard discount pricing at any volume Ram dealer.

So, now we have two trucks that cost approx the same ($36k). Let's place 2850 lbs in the bed of each. The above trim-level Ram 3500 has a realworld payload rating of 4,000 lbs. (not just in a brochure) vs. your Nissan Cummins that supposedly has a payload rating of 1,900 lbs.

For the same $36k spent and 2850 lbs. in the bed, which truck do you think is going to be safer going down the freeway at 75 MPH? Which truck sits on full-floating axles vs. semi-floating axles? Which truck has 245 lb. ft. more torque and at the same time gets equal or better fuel economy? Which truck can still carry another 1,150 lbs. of payload and still be within payload limits? Which truck will probably last longer and be more reliable while carrying that 2,850 lbs? Lastly, which truck offers the best overall ROI for that ~$36k?

You will not buy a 1 ton Ram 6.7 in any configuration for under 45k in my area. You'll be lucky to find anything 3/4 or 1 ton from the big three under 40k. They don't discount that much because they still sell them all day long at higher prices.

transamz9 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
I love these show me your payload sticker threads.

The Titan XD is a beast. I look at those payload stickers and just kinda laugh at them...they are literally meaningless and only matter on the day these trucks are manufactured.

I test drove a 2014 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 crew cab Hemi this past weekend. Had my two man sized sons and my father with me...none of us are under 200 lbs...the sales man rode with us on the test drive as well...that was at least 1100 lbs of humans.... truck was awesome...handled amazing ... powerful...fast...cornered great. After the test drive I looked at the silly payload sticker and it said 950 lbs. According to RV.net I was a danger to society being 200 lbs overloaded...the real world said that truck wasn't even phased by the 1100 lbs in the cab. It would have comfortably handled 600 lbs or more worth of hitch weight with a weight distribution hitch and wouldn't have even blinked.

I once looked at a Ram 2500 MegaCab 4x4 Laramie Longhorn CTD with all he options (including fifth wheel prep) ...the silly sticker said 1750 lb of payload...I posted that fact here and someone pointed out that 1750 lbs in the bed would literally not even squat the truck. That fact is reflected in these silly payload stickers on the Titan XD as well...put 1500 lbs in the bed and it will barely squat.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

If you load more than what the silly sticker states into your truck.... And something goes wrong..... Say the rear axle has a problem etc.,,,,and you get it towed to the dealership... They will explain to you just what that silly sticker means to your silly warranty.

I've never had a warranty denied on any of our trucks because of going over the payload sticker and we have had plenty of trucks go in on the hook still loaded over their payload with just tools.